Jarod Santo and Adam Stacoviak from The Changelog join me for 1.5 hours of free-flowing chats about planned obscelescene, old school vs new school consumer tech, the XZ Backdoor incident, the job market doldrums (plus tips for finding work and starting a biz), and being unemployable.

Jarod and Adam are two of my favorite people to talk with, since we can literally chat about anything for hours. Enjoy!

Changelog: https://changelog.com/