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Join Chief Economist Mark Zandi, Marisa DiNatale and Cristian deRitis as they discuss key indicators and other aspects of the global economy. Contact us at [email protected]. Visit online at www.economy.com/economicview

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Trade, Taco Bowls, and Theme Parks

2023-11-17 Listen
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Fred Hochberg (Export–Import Bank of the United States) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Fred Hochberg, Fmr. Chairman & President of the Export–Import Bank of the United States and author of Trade Is Not a Four-Letter Word: How Six Everyday Products Make the Case for Trade, joins the Inside Economics team to discuss all things related to global trade. The discussion takes up the U.S.-China relationship, the future of globalization, and how trade policy may change after the 2024 election. Marisa’s visit to Disneyland is a (largely irrelevant but entertaining) theme throughout.   For more information on Fred Hochberg and his book click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.  

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Bazemore on Housing & FHLBs

2023-11-10 Listen
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Cris deRitis , Teresa Bazemore (San Francisco Federal Home Loan Bank) , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Teresa Bazemore, CEO of the San Francisco Federal Home Loan Bank, joins the podcast to discuss the nation's reeling housing market, and the role of the FHLB system. There's a lot to talk about as Teresa weighs recent criticism of the FHLBs in the wake of the banking crisis earlier this year, and the recent report from the FHLBs' regulator, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, proposing reforms to the system. For more information about Teresa Bazemore click here Moody's Papers discussed in this episode click here and here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Strength from Weakness

2023-11-04 Listen
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Dante DeAntonio (Moody's Analytics) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Dante joins the podcast to break down the October employment report. With job growth moderating and the unemployment rate edging higher, the Fed’s fight against inflation should get a little bit easier. The team also takes a few listener questions about the definition of the unemployment rate and what impact softening rents will have on single-family housing.    Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

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Gangbuster GDP

2023-10-27 Listen
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Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

The inside Economics team takes up the gangbuster GDP growth in the third quarter. Marisa walks the group though the GDP identity C+I+G+net exports and concludes that while the report overstates the case, it makes a strong case that the economy is on solid ground. Cris gives Marisa an A+ for her exposition. Good thing given their history.   Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Bonds, Baseball and Blankies

2023-10-20 Listen
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David Fieldhouse (Moody's Analytics) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Mark, Cris and Marisa welcome colleague David Fieldhouse to Inside Economics to talk about the run up in long-term bond yields and mortgage rates, as well as the outlook for the consumer. The team discusses why the 10-year yield has breached 5% for the first time since before the GFC and what it might mean for the economy if rates stay higher for longer. They also consider the possibility of the yield curve reverting into positive territory soon. Mark tries to help Cris overcome his fears of a consumer-led recession and the team considers what a Phillies World Series win might mean for the economy.   Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Prices, Petroleum, and Prosciutto

2023-10-13 Listen
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Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Gaurav Ganguly (Moody's Analytics) , Matt Coylar , Chris Lafakis , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Inflation was front and center in this week’s podcast. Mark and Marisa (yes, she’s back and winning the stats game again) hosted a wonderful cast of colleagues to talk over the September CPI report, the European inflation experience, which is similar to that here in the U.S., and given recent grim events in the Middle East, energy prices. The bottom line is inflation continues to head in the right direction, but not in a straight line.   Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Within Statistical Spitting Distance

2023-10-06 Listen
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Dante DeAntonio (Moody's Analytics) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics)

Dante joins Cris and Mark to digest the September jobs report. The outsized job gain during the month was surprising, but after Dante’s masterful dissection of the data, the group agrees there is a lot to like in the report. After the stats game, they discussion turns to the recent surge in long-term interest rates and how big a threat it poses to the economy. Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Approaching Shutdown, Asian Flip-Flop

2023-09-29 Listen
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Stefan Angrick (Moody's Analytics) , Steve Cochrane , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics)

The fast approaching federal government shutdown is top of mind on this week’s podcast. Mark and Cris consider how the shutdown may play out and the economic consequences. Two other colleagues, Steve Cochrane and Stefan Angrick, then join the conversation to assess the all important Chinese and Japanese economies. Are the economic fortunes of these two massive economies flip-flopping? For China and Japan: Facing History, a book outlining the strained historical relationship between these two countries, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Economic Threats & Exponential Risk

2023-09-22 Listen
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Rob Fauber (Moody’s Corporation) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Inside Economics welcomes Rob Fauber, President and CEO of Moody’s Corporation to the podcast.  He discusses his concept of exponential risk and the opportunities and challenges of using AI. Rob shares what it's like to lead a global firm and answers a few get-to-know-you questions from Mark, Cris and Marisa. But before the conversation with Rob, the team discusses how worried they are about various economic threats and their potential impact on the macroeconomic economy.  Guest: Rob Fauber, President & CEO of Moody’s Corporation For more insight into the era of exponential risk, click here. Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.  

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Smoke On the UAW Strike

2023-09-14 Listen
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Mike Brisson (Moody's Analytics) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Bernard Yaros Jr , Jonathan Smoke (Cox Automotive) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

The looming UAW strike is top of mind, and no one better to talk to about how it may play out and what it means for the economy than Jonathan Smoke of COX Automotive and our own vehicle industry expert, Mike Brisson.  Bernard Yaros also joins the podcast to talk about the consumer inflation report.  Mark and Cris agree that while the current economic numbers look good, there’s plenty to worry about. For more from Jonathan Smoke, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

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AI and a Bit of Advertising

2023-09-08 Listen
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Martin Fleming (Varicent) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Given the strong counter narratives regarding the impact of artificial intelligence on the economy – from bright optimism that AI will significantly lift productivity growth and wealth to dark pessimism that it will lead to a dystopic increase in unemployment and cybercrime – we asked Martin Fleming to sort it out. And the former chief economist of IBM and current author and Chief Revenue Scientist at Varicent does just that. And Mark does a bit of advertising along the way. For more about Martin Fleming, click here For more on Martin Fleming's book, Breakthrough: A Growth Revolution, click here To participate in the weekly Survey of Business Confidence, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Good Report, Great Music

2023-09-01 Listen
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Dante DeAntonio (Moody's Analytics) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

The August jobs report couldn’t have been much better.  Dante and Cris called it a good report, while Mark and Marisa thought it was a VERY good report.  Either way, the report has soft landing written all over it.  In standing with the good cheer over the jobs numbers, the group recounted their favorite music. Some surprises there. For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.  

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

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What Could Go Wrong?

2023-08-25 Listen
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Michael Brisson (Moody's Analytics) , Martin Wurm , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Bernard Yaros Jr , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics) , Juan Fuentes (Moody's Analytics)

The economy is performing about as well as could be expected. Growth is resilient, inflation is moderating, and unemployment is low and stable. It appears increasingly likely the economy will avoid a recession. But having said this, the Federal Reserve’s aggressive rate hikes are weighing heavily on the financial system and economy. To avoid a recession, nothing else can go wrong. In this podcast, Mark, Cris and team consider what could go wrong.  For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Top of Mind, Turbulent Financial Times

2023-08-18 Listen
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Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Chris Whalen (Whalen Global Advisors) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Despite the light week of economic data, there was lots going in in the economy to discuss for the Inside Economics team, including the runup in 10-year Treasury yields and fixed mortgage rates. Noted investment banker Chris Whalen then joins the conversation to talk about the banking system, its’ under significant pressure, the independent mortgage banks, a shakeout is underway, and the Fed and other regulators, he’s not a fan. For more on Chris Whalen, click here For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

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Banner Inflation, Banking Braves Out

2023-08-11 Listen
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Sebnem Kalemli-Ozcan (University of Maryland) , Cris deRitis , Bernard Yaros (Moody's Analytics) , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

The Inside Economics team dissects the July report on consumer price inflation and concludes that inflation is on track to be back to the Fed’s inflation target by this time next year. Well, OK, Cris thought more likely the end of next year. The discussion then turned to modest fallout from the banking crisis earlier this year (at least so far) and Fed policy with University of Maryland economics professor Sebnem Kalemli-Ozcan. For more from Sebnem Kalemli-Ozcan, click here For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

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Near Perfect, New Probability

2023-08-04 Listen
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Dante DeAntonio (Moody's Analytics) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics)

It’s jobs Friday, and Mark, Cris and Dante discuss the near perfect (Dante’s description) July employment report. Job growth remains strong, but it is moderating, and should help convince the Federal Reserve that its interest rates hikes are over.  The group identified a few nits in the numbers, but the report was so good Cris lowered his odds the economy will suffer a recession in the coming year.   For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Perfect PCE, Problematic Politics

2023-07-28 Listen
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Matt Robison (Beyond Politics) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Mark, Cris and Marisa (yes, she is back) welcome Matt Robison of the Beyond Politics podcast to talk policy and politics. The discussion ranges from the risk of a government shutdown and Bidenomics to a consideration of whether the nation’s politics are as fractured as they seem and who is going to be the next President.  It goes without saying there was also a fulsome conversation about this past week’s economic data - could the numbers have been any better? Even “supercore” inflation was up just 0.2% month over month and 4.2% year over year in June. For more from Matt Robison, click here For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Forecast Surprises, Successes and Slip-Ups

2023-07-23 Listen
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Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Mark and Cris take stock of the economy’s performance so far this year, and consider what surprised them (think the job market), what they got right (think weaker house prices), and what they got wrong (think the banking crisis). They also look forward and discuss what people are overly considered about, and what they should be more worried about.  Where’s Marisa? For the full transcript, click here. Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Healthy Inflation, Unhealthy Housing

2023-07-14 Listen
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Lance Lambert (Fortune) , Cris deRitis , Bernard Yaros (Moody's Analytics) , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics)

The stellar June CPI inflation report is top of mind for Mark, Cris and Bernard.  The report arguably couldn’t have been better, as the conversation makes clear.  The podcast then turns to a discussion of whether the worst is over for the troubled single family housing market with Lance Lambert, the real estate editor for Fortune. No one has a better pulse of the market than Lance. For more on Lance Lambert, click here or follow him on twitter @NewsLambert For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

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Relaxing Report, Squiggly Data

2023-07-07 Listen
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Dante DeAntonio (Moody's Analytics) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Mark, Cris & Marisa are joined by Jobs Day regular Dante DeAntonio to discuss the June employment report. Job growth is slowing to script but wage growth is still stubbornly high. The group discusses full employment, the probabilities of recession in the next year and what this all means for the Fed’s upcoming meetings. For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Roach on China and the Road Forward

2023-06-30 Listen
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Stephen Roach (China Center of Yale Law School) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Stephen Roach, Senior Fellow at the China Center of Yale Law School, discusses China’s near and longer-term economic prospects with Mark, Cris and Marisa. Steve explains why he has evolved from a bull to a bear on China’s economy, why the critical relationship between China and the U.S. has gone sideways, and how to get the relationship moving in a positive direction. For more on Stephen Roach, click here For more information on Stephen Roach's book, Accidental Conflict: America, China, and the Clash of False Narratives, click here For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Forecasting the Fed and Falling CRE

2023-06-23 Listen
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Cris deRitis , Glenn Mueller (University of Denver) , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Mark, Cris and Marisa weigh whether or not to change the forecast for the Fed funds rate and dig deep to play the statistics game. Later they are joined by Professor Glenn Mueller of the University of Denver to talk all things commercial real estate. Professor Mueller ranks the segments of the CRE market from worst to best performing and explains why the legalization of marijuana has disrupted the retail market.  For more on Glenn Mueller, click here For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Shelter from the Storm(s)

2023-06-16 Listen
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Mark Calabria (Cato Institute) , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics)

The Inside Economics team takes shelter from a tornado (true story), and Mark Calabria, senior advisor to the Cato Institute and former director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, describes the FHFA’s efforts to provide shelter to the housing and mortgage finance markets during the pandemic. His new book “Shelter from the Storm,” is a fascinating telling of that difficult period. For more on Mark Calabria, click here. For more information on Mark Calabria's book "Shelter from the Storm," click here. For the full transcript, click here. Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

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Taiwan Straits, Tough Geopolitics

2023-06-09 Listen
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Tim Uy (Moody's Analytics) , Steve Cochrane , Cris deRitis , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

Amid mounting geopolitical tensions over the independence of Taiwan, Mark and team consider various scenarios regarding how this is ultimately resolved. China appears to be taking a long-term perspective in its goal to unify Taiwan with the mainland, and thus the most likely scenario assumes the current uncomfortable, but peaceful status quo.  But much darker scenarios can’t be ruled out. For the full report on the China-Taiwan Scenarios, click here. For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.

Debt Limit Relief, Labor Market Disbelief

2023-06-02 Listen
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Matt Colyar (Moody's Analytics) , Cris deRitis , Bernard Yaros (Moody's Analytics) , Mark Zandi (Moody's Analytics) , Marisa DiNatale (Moody's Analytics)

The group dives deep into the jobs report for May. They dissect the cross-currents in the numbers, and consider what the report means for financial markets, monetary policy and the macroeconomy. The economic fallout of the legislative deal to end the debt limit drama, including the end of the student loan payment moratorium, are also part of the discussion. And of course there is the statistics game. For the full transcript, click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.