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S1 Ep#34: The Future of Data Mesh The Data Product Management In Action podcast, brought to you by executive producer Scott Hirleman, is a platform for data product management practitioners to share insights and experiences. 

In Season 01, Episode 34, Join host Michael Toland as he welcomes Tom DeWolf, a data mesh expert with a PhD in distributed systems and years of experience in software engineering. Tom shares insights from his four-year journey in data mesh, emphasizing the need for self-service in data products, the benefits of an evolutionary architecture, and the challenges of governance in multi-organization environments. He also discusses key lessons from past failures, highlighting the critical role of user engagement in building successful data ecosystems. Don't miss this deep dive into the future of data management!

About our Host Michael Toland: Michael is a Product Management Coach and Consultant with Pathfinder Product, a Test Double Operation. He has worked in product officially since 2016, where he worked at Verizon on large scale system modernizations and migration initiatives for reference data and decision platforms. Outside of his professional career, Michael serves as the Treasurer for the New Leaders Council, mentors fellows with Venture for America, sings in the Columbus Symphony, writing satire posts for his blog Dignified Product or Test Double, depending on the topic, and is excited to be chatting with folks on Data Product Management. Connect with Michael on LinkedIn.

About our guest Tom DeWolf: Tom is an experienced hands-on architect and serves as the innovation lead, spearheading new innovative initiatives for ACA Group. His expertise lies in data mesh platform and platform engineering, leveraging his background in software engineering and experience in designing various architectures, including software, microservices, data platforms, evolutionary architectures, among others. Tom is the founder and host of Data Mesh Belgium meetup and the new Data Mesh Live conference, and active Data Mesh community thought leader. Connect with Tom on LinkedIn.

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The Data Product Management In Action podcast, brought to you by Soda and executive producer Scott Hirleman, is a platform for data product management practitioners to share insights and experiences. In this special minisode celebrating the podcast's 25th episode milestone, hosts Michael Toland and Amritha Arun Babu reflect on their journey so far. They share the key lessons they've learned, moments they've enjoyed, and their excitement for the future of data product management. From insights into AI and ML to the importance of building strong data communities and infrastructure, this episode highlights the most impactful themes and sets the stage for what’s to come in 2025. About our Host Michael Toland: Michael is a Product Management Coach and Consultant with Pathfinder Product, a Test Double Operation. He has worked in product officially since 2016, where he worked at Verizon on large scale system modernizations and migration initiatives for reference data and decision platforms. Outside of his professional career, Michael serves as the Treasurer for the New Leaders Council, mentors fellows with Venture for America, sings in the Columbus Symphony, writing satire posts for his blog Dignified Product or Test Double, depending on the topic, and is excited to be chatting with folks on Data Product Management. Connect with Michael on LinkedIn. About our Host Amritha Arun Babu Mysore: Amritha is an accomplished Product Leader with over a decade of experience building and scaling products across AI platforms, supply chain systems, and enterprise workflows in industries such as e-commerce, AI/ML, and marketing automation. At Amazon, she led machine learning platform products powering recommendation and personalization engines, building tools for model experimentation, deployment, and monitoring that improved efficiency for 1,500+ ML scientists. At Wayfair, she managed international supply chain systems, overseeing contracts, billing, product catalogs, and vendor operations, delivering cost savings and optimizing large-scale workflows. At Klaviyo, she drives both AI infrastructure and customer-facing AI tools, including recommendation engines, content generation assistants, and workflow automation agents, enabling scalable and personalized marketing workflows. Earlier, she worked on enterprise systems and revenue operations workflows, focusing on cost optimization and process improvements in complex technical environments. Amritha excels at bridging technical depth with strategic clarity, leading cross-functional teams, and delivering measurable business outcomes across diverse domains. Connect with Amritha on LinkedIn. All views and opinions expressed are those of the individuals and do not necessarily reflect their employers or anyone else.  Join the conversation on LinkedIn.  Apply to be a guest or nominate someone that you know.  Do you love what you're listening to? Please rate and review the podcast, and share it with fellow practitioners you know. Your support helps us reach more listeners and continue providing valuable insights!  .

The Data Product Management In Action podcast, brought to you by Soda and executive producer Scott Hirleman, is a platform for data product management practitioners to share insights and experiences. This episode of Data Product Management in Action, host Michael Toland sits down with Max Fritzhand, the creator of Bolta AI, to explore how he turned a simple frustration into a powerful platform for managing social media on Threads. Max discusses leveraging machine learning, navigating API challenges, and engaging users to create a feature-rich tool that offers analytics, content suggestions, and optimal posting times. A must-listen for innovators and product managers alike! About our host Michael Toland: Michael is a Product Management Coach and Consultant with Pathfinder Product, a Test Double Operation. Since 2016, Michael has worked on large-scale system modernizations and migration initiatives at Verizon. Outside his professional career, Michael serves as the Treasurer for the New Leaders Council, mentors with Venture for America, sings with the Columbus Symphony, and writes satire for his blog Dignified Product. He is excited to discuss data product management with the podcast audience. Connect with Michael on LinkedIn. About our guest Max Fritzhand: Max is a software engineer and entrepreneur based in Cincinnati, Ohio, with a passion for innovation and automation. With a background in developing user-centric tools, he’s built projects like Bolta to simplify social media management and empower creators. Known for his drive to achieve financial independence, he explores investment opportunities and strives to build impactful, scalable solutions. A creative thinker with ADHD, Max channels his energy into solving complex problems and building a fulfilling work-life balance. Connect with Max on LinkedIn. All views and opinions expressed are those of the individuals and do not necessarily reflect their employers or anyone else.  Join the conversation on LinkedIn.  Apply to be a guest or nominate someone that you know.  Do you love what you're listening to? Please rate and review the podcast, and share it with fellow practitioners you know. Your support helps us reach more listeners and continue providing valuable insights!   

The Data Product Management In Action podcast, brought to you by Soda and executive producer Scott Hirleman, is a platform for data product management practitioners to share insights and experiences. We've released a special edition series of minisodes of our podcast. Recorded live at Data Connect 2024, our host Michael Toland engages in short, sweet, informative, and delightful conversations with five prevelant practitioners who are forging their way forward in data and technology. Recorded on Day 2 of Data Connect 2024, Michael chats with Morgan Templar, CEO at First CDO Partners, to explore how her organization empowers companies to truly understand their data and leverage it to achieve their goals. Morgan delves into the strategies that help businesses not only comprehend the value of their data but also monetize it effectively. This conversation builds on a topic that piqued Michael’s interest last year—understanding the tangible value of data and how it can be a game-changer for organizations.  About our host Michael Toland: Michael is a Product Management Coach and Consultant with Pathfinder Product, a Test Double Operation. Since 2016, Michael has worked on large-scale system modernizations and migration initiatives at Verizon. Outside his professional career, Michael serves as the Treasurer for the New Leaders Council, mentors with Venture for America, sings with the Columbus Symphony, and writes satire for his blog Dignified Product. He is excited to discuss data product management with the podcast audience. Connect with Michael on LinkedIn. About our guest Morgan Templar: Morgan is a data executive with over 20 years of experience in managing and transforming data assets. She is the best-selling author of two books, Get Governed and A Culture of Governance, which reflect her deep commitment to creating a better world through improved information. Morgan is passionate about evangelizing the importance and value of getting data right, believing that better data leads to better lives. Her mission is simple yet profound: to make the world a better place for at least one person each day, with data playing a foundational role in enhancing our daily experiences. Connect with Morgan on LinkedIn.  All views and opinions expressed are those of the individuals and do not necessarily reflect their employers or anyone else. Join the conversation on LinkedIn. Apply to be a guest or nominate a practitioner.  Do you love what you're listening to? Please rate and review the podcast, and share it with fellow practitioners you know. Your support helps us reach more listeners and continue providing valuable insights!

The Data Product Management In Action podcast, brought to you by Soda and executive producer Scott Hirleman, is a platform for data product management practitioners to share insights and experiences. We've released a special edition series of minisodes of our podcast. Recorded live at Data Connect 2024, our host Michael Toland engages in short, sweet, informative, and delightful conversations with five prevelant practitioners who are forging their way forward in data and technology. Recorded on Day 2 of Data Connect 2024, Michael sits down with Vishaka Gupta-Cledat, CEO and co-founder of Aperture, a spin-off from Intel. They explore Aperture's mission to simplify the work of data scientists, data engineers, and machine learning teams. About our host Michael Toland: Michael is a Product Management Coach and Consultant with Pathfinder Product, a Test Double Operation. Since 2016, Michael has worked on large-scale system modernizations and migration initiatives at Verizon. Outside his professional career, Michael serves as the Treasurer for the New Leaders Council, mentors with Venture for America, sings with the Columbus Symphony, and writes satire for his blog Dignified Product. He is excited to discuss data product management with the podcast audience. About our guest Vishaka Gupta-Cledat: Vishaka is the Co-founder and CEO of ApertureData. Before launching ApertureData, she spent over seven years at Intel Labs, where she led the design and development of VDMS (the Visual Data Management System), which is now the foundation of ApertureData’s flagship product, ApertureDB. Her expertise spans diverse areas, including scheduling in heterogeneous multi-core environments, graph-based storage, applications on non-volatile memory systems, and tackling visual data management challenges for analytics use cases. Connect with Vishaka on LinkedIn.  All views and opinions expressed are those of the individuals and do not necessarily reflect their employers or anyone else. Join the conversation on LinkedIn. Apply to be a guest or nominate a practitioner.  Do you love what you're listening to? Please rate and review the podcast, and share it with fellow practitioners you know. Your support helps us reach more listeners and continue providing valuable insights!

The Data Product Management In Action podcast, brought to you by Soda and executive producer Scott Hirleman, is a platform for data product management practitioners to share insights and experiences. We've released a special edition series of minisodes of our podcast. Recorded live at Data Connect 2024, our host Michael Toland engages in short, sweet, informative, and delightful conversations with five prevelant practitioners who are forging their way forward in data and technology. In this minisode, Michael reconnects with his former colleague Lindsay Murphy as she delves into a crucial yet often overlooked aspect of data management—cost containment. Lindsay's session at Data Connect 2024 emphasizes the importance of considering costs as a critical piece of your data team's ROI. While data teams often focus on value creation and return on investment, they can easily lose sight of the expenses associated with the complex stacks they build. Lindsay offers practical insights on how to strike a balance between innovation and cost-efficiency. Plus, a special shout-out to Lindsay's new podcast, Women Lead Data—hurrah! This podcast is set to inspire and empower women in the data industry, providing a platform for sharing experiences, insights, and strategies for success. About our host Michael Toland: Michael is a Product Management Coach and Consultant with Pathfinder Product, a Test Double Operation. Since 2016, Michael has worked on large-scale system modernizations and migration initiatives at Verizon. Outside his professional career, Michael serves as the Treasurer for the New Leaders Council, mentors with Venture for America, sings with the Columbus Symphony, and writes satire for his blog Dignified Product. He is excited to discuss data product management with the podcast audience. Connect with Michael on LinkedIn About our guest Lindsay Murphy: Lindsay is a data leader with 13 years of experience in building and scaling data teams. She has successfully launched and led data initiatives at startups such as BenchSci, Maple, and Secoda. Her expertise includes developing internal data products, implementing modern data stack infrastructures, building and mentoring data engineering teams, and crafting data strategies that align with organizational goals. An active member of the data community, Lindsay organizes the Toronto Modern Data Stack Meetup group, which boasts over 2,500 members. She has also taught Advanced dbt to more than 100 students through Uplimit and hosts a weekly podcast, Women Lead Data, where she shares insights and amplifies the voices of women in the data industry. Connect with Lindsay on LinkedIn.  All views and opinions expressed are those of the individuals and do not necessarily reflect their employers or anyone else. Join the conversation on LinkedIn. Apply to be a guest or nominate a practitioner.  Do you love what you're listening to? Please rate and review the podcast, and share it with fellow practitioners you know. Your support helps us reach more listeners and continue providing valuable insights!

The Data Product Management In Action podcast, brought to you by Soda and executive producer Scott Hirleman, is a platform for data product management practitioners to share insights and experiences. We've released a special edition series of minisodes of our podcast. Recorded live at Data Connect 2024, our host Michael Toland engages in short, sweet, informative, and delightful conversations with five prevelant practitioners who are forging their way forward in data and technology. Recorded on Day 2 of Data Connect 2024, Michael sits down with Kim Theis, CEO Abea Data, for her first appearance at both Data Connect 2024 and in Columbus, Ohio. Kim shares insights from her recent talk at the conference, where she focused on maximizing ROI from data-driven projects—a topic she has extensively researched. Since transitioning from her role at PayPal, Kim has been on a mission to help individuals and organizations better understand the journey toward adopting data products and the tangible benefits they can offer. About our host Michael Toland: Michael is a Product Management Coach and Consultant with Pathfinder Product, a Test Double Operation. Since 2016, Michael has worked on large-scale system modernizations and migration initiatives at Verizon. Outside his professional career, Michael serves as the Treasurer for the New Leaders Council, mentors with Venture for America, sings with the Columbus Symphony, and writes satire for his blog Dignified Product. He is excited to discuss data product management with the podcast audience. Connect with Michael on LinkedIn.  About our guest Kim Theis: Kim is the CEO and co-founder of AbeaData, a company transforming how data is leveraged as a product and driving the success of AI initiatives across industries. With over 20 years of experience, Kim has a proven track record of delivering data innovation and excellence in various leadership roles. Before founding AbeaData, she served as the Head of Intelligence Automation at PayPal, where she reorganized the team to support a decentralized data framework, launched a data mesh in under a year, and led the team that pioneered the world's first open-source Data Contract. Her extensive experience also includes executive data consulting and technology leadership roles within Fortune 500 and FTSE 100 companies. Connect with Kim on LinkedIn.  All views and opinions expressed are those of the individuals and do not necessarily reflect their employers or anyone else. Join the conversation on LinkedIn. Apply to be a guest or nominate a practitioner.  Do you love what you're listening to? Please rate and review the podcast, and share it with fellow practitioners you know. Your support helps us reach more listeners and continue providing valuable insights!

The Data Product Management In Action podcast, brought to you by Soda and executive producer Scott Hirleman, is a platform for data product management practitioners to share insights and experiences. We've released a special edition series of minisodes of our podcast. Recorded live at Data Connect 2024, our host Michael Toland engages in short, sweet, informative, and delightful conversations with five prevelant practitioners who are forging their way forward in data and technology.

About our host Michael Toland: Michael is a Product Management Coach and Consultant with Pathfinder Product, a Test Double Operation. Since 2016, Michael has worked on large-scale system modernizations and migration initiatives at Verizon. Outside his professional career, Michael serves as the Treasurer for the New Leaders Council, mentors with Venture for America, sings with the Columbus Symphony, and writes satire for his blog Dignified Product. He is excited to discuss data product management with the podcast audience. Connect with Michael on LinkedIn About our guest Jean-Georges Perrin: Jean-Georges “jgp” Perrin is the Chief Innovation Officer at AbeaData, where he focuses on developing cutting-edge data tooling. He chairs the Open Data Contract Standard (ODCS) at the Linux Foundation's Bitol project, co-founded the AIDA User Group, and has authored several influential books, including Implementing Data Mesh (O'Reilly) and Spark in Action, 2nd Edition (Manning). With over 25 years in IT, Jean-Georges is recognized as a Lifetime IBM Champion, a PayPal Champion, and a Data Mesh MVP. His expertise spans data engineering, governance, and the industrialization of data science. Outside of tech, he enjoys exploring Upstate New York and New England with his family. Connect with J-GP on LinkedIn.  All views and opinions expressed are those of the individuals and do not necessarily reflect their employers or anyone else. Join the conversation on LinkedIn. Apply to be a guest or nominate a practitioner.  Do you love what you're listening to? Please rate and review the podcast, and share it with fellow practitioners you know. Your support helps us reach more listeners and continue providing valuable insights!

Michael Strain, resident scholar and the director of economic policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) returns to the podcast to discuss the Fed’s big pivot towards rate cuts early next year and the resulting monster rally in stocks and bonds. The discussion then turns to what ails the collective psyche. Think rents and the price of ramen.   For mor information on Michael Strain click here Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Cris deRitis @MiddleWayEcon, and Marisa DiNatale on LinkedIn for additional insight.

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The odds of a U.S. recession are on the rise. Michael Strain, Director of Economic Policy Studies at American Enterprise Institute, joins the podcast to discuss the risks driving a potential recession. Everyone shares their probability of a recession. Full episode transcript For more from Michael Strain, follow him on Twitter @MichaelRStrain Follow Mark Zandi @MarkZandi, Ryan Sweet @RealTime_Econ and Cris deRitis on LinkedIn for additional insight. 

Questions or Comments, please email us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you.    To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View.