Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast, host Tobias Macy welcomes back Shinji Kim to discuss the evolving role of semantic layers in the era of AI. As they explore the challenges of managing vast data ecosystems and providing context to data users, they delve into the significance of semantic layers for AI applications. They dive into the nuances of semantic modeling, the impact of AI on data accessibility, and the importance of business logic in semantic models. Shinji shares her insights on how SelectStar is helping teams navigate these complexities, and together they cover the future of semantic modeling as a native construct in data systems. Join them for an in-depth conversation on the evolving landscape of data engineering and its intersection with AI.

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Summary Data is useless if it isn’t being used, and you can’t use it if you don’t know where it is. Data catalogs were the first solution to this problem, but they are only helpful if you know what you are looking for. In this episode Shinji Kim discusses the challenges of data discovery and how to collect and preserve additional context about each piece of information so that you can find what you need when you don’t even know what you’re looking for yet.

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Summary Companies of all sizes and industries are trying to use the data that they and their customers generate to survive and thrive in the modern economy. As a result, they are relying on a constantly growing number of data sources being accessed by an increasingly varied set of users. In order to help data consumers find and understand the data is available, and help the data producers understand how to prioritize their work, SelectStar has built a data discovery platform that brings everyone together. In this episode Shinji Kim shares her experience as a data professional struggling to collaborate with her colleagues and how that led her to founding a company to address that problem. She also discusses the combination of technical and social challenges that need to be solved for everyone to gain context and comprehension around their most valuable asset.

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you describe what SelectStar is and the story behind it? What are the core challenges that organizations are facing around data cataloging and discovery? There has been a surge in tools and services for metadata collection, data catalogs, and data collaboration. How would you characterize the current state of the ecosystem?

What is SelectStar’s role in