Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Gleb Mezhanskiy, CEO and co-founder of DataFold, talks about the intersection of AI and data engineering. He discusses the challenges and opportunities of integrating AI into data engineering, particularly using large language models (LLMs) to enhance productivity and reduce manual toil. The conversation covers the potential of AI to transform data engineering tasks, such as text-to-SQL interfaces and creating semantic graphs to improve data accessibility, and explores practical applications of LLMs in automating code reviews, testing, and understanding data lineage.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Gleb Mezhanskiy about Interview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?modern data stack is deadwhere is AI in the data stack?"buy our tool to ship AI"opportunities for LLM in DE workflowContact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links DatafoldCopilotCursor IDEAI AgentsDataChatAI Engineering Podcast EpisodeMetrics LayerEmacsLangChainLangGraphCrewAIThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary Gleb Mezhanskiy, CEO and co-founder of DataFold, joins Tobias Macey to discuss the challenges and innovations in data migrations. Gleb shares his experiences building and scaling data platforms at companies like Autodesk and Lyft, and how these experiences inspired the creation of DataFold to address data quality issues across teams. He outlines the complexities of data migrations, including common pitfalls such as technical debt and the importance of achieving parity between old and new systems. Gleb also discusses DataFold's innovative use of AI and large language models (LLMs) to automate translation and reconciliation processes in data migrations, reducing time and effort required for migrations. Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementImagine catching data issues before they snowball into bigger problems. That’s what Datafold’s new Monitors do. With automatic monitoring for cross-database data diffs, schema changes, key metrics, and custom data tests, you can catch discrepancies and anomalies in real time, right at the source. Whether it’s maintaining data integrity or preventing costly mistakes, Datafold Monitors give you the visibility and control you need to keep your entire data stack running smoothly. Want to stop issues before they hit production? Learn more at dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today!Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm welcoming back Gleb Mezhanskiy to talk about Datafold's experience bringing AI to bear on the problem of migrating your data stackInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you describe what the Data Migration Agent is and the story behind it?What is the core problem that you are targeting with the agent?What are the biggest time sinks in the process of database and tooling migration that teams run into?Can you describe the architecture of your agent?What was your selection and evaluation process for the LLM that you are using?What were some of the main unknowns that you had to discover going into the project?What are some of the evolutions in the ecosystem that occurred either during the development process or since your initial launch that have caused you to second-guess elements of the design?In terms of SQL translation there are libraries such as SQLGlot and the work being done with SDF that aim to address that through AST parsing and subsequent dialect generation. What are the ways that approach is insufficient in the context of a platform migration?How does the approach you are taking with the combination of data-diffing and automated translation help build confidence in the migration target?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen the Data Migration Agent used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on building an AI powered migration assistant?When is the data migration agent the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of applications of AI at Datafold?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links DatafoldDatafold Migration AgentDatafold data-diffDatafold Reconciliation Podcast EpisodeSQLGlotLark parserClaude 3.5 SonnetLookerPodcast EpisodeThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

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All software systems are in a constant state of evolution. This makes it impossible to select a truly future-proof technology stack for your data platform, making an eventual migration inevitable. In this episode Gleb Mezhanskiy and Rob Goretsky share their experiences leading various data platform migrations, and the hard-won lessons that they learned so that you don't have to.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management Introducing RudderStack Profiles. RudderStack Profiles takes the SaaS guesswork and SQL grunt work out of building complete customer profiles so you can quickly ship actionable, enriched data to every downstream team. You specify the customer traits, then Profiles runs the joins and computations for you to create complete customer profiles. Get all of the details and try the new product today at dataengineeringpodcast.com/rudderstack Modern data teams are using Hex to 10x their data impact. Hex combines a notebook style UI with an interactive report builder. This allows data teams to both dive deep to find insights and then share their work in an easy-to-read format to the whole org. In Hex you can use SQL, Python, R, and no-code visualization together to explore, transform, and model data. Hex also has AI built directly into the workflow to help you generate, edit, explain and document your code. The best data teams in the world such as the ones at Notion, AngelList, and Anthropic use Hex for ad hoc investigations, creating machine learning models, and building operational dashboards for the rest of their company. Hex makes it easy for data analysts and data scientists to collaborate together and produce work that has an impact. Make your data team unstoppable with Hex. Sign up today at dataengineeringpodcast.com/hex to get a 30-day free trial for your team! Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Gleb Mezhanskiy and Rob Goretsky about when and how to think about migrating your data stack

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? A migration can be anything from a minor task to a major undertaking. Can you start by describing what constitutes a migration for the purposes of this conversation? Is it possible to completely avoid having to invest in a migration? What are the signals that point to the need for a migration?

What are some of the sources of cost that need to be accounted for when considering a migration? (both in terms of doing one, and the costs of not doing one) What are some signals that a migration is not the right solution for a perceived problem?

Once the decision has been made that a migration is necessary, what are the questions that the team should be asking to determine the technologies to move to and the sequencing of execution? What are the preceding tasks that should be completed before starting the migration to ensure there is no breakage downstream of the changing component(s)? What are some of the ways that a migration effort might fail? What are the major pitfalls that teams need to be aware of as they work through a data platform migration? What are the opportunities for automation during the migration process? What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen teams approach a platform migration? What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on data platform migrations? What are some ways that the technologies and patterns that we use can be evolved to reduce the cost/impact/need for migraitons?

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LinkedIn RobGoretsky on GitHub

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From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

Closing Announcements

Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The Machine Learning Podcast helps you go from idea to production with machine learning. Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes. If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected]) with your story. To help other people find the show please leave a review on Apple Podcasts and tell your friends and co-workers

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Introducing RudderStack Profiles. RudderStack Profiles takes the SaaS guesswork and SQL grunt work out of building complete customer profiles so you can quickly ship actionable, enriched data to every downstream team. You specify the customer traits, then Profiles runs the joins and computations for you to create complete customer profiles. Get all of the details and try the new product today at dataengineeringpodcast.com/rudderstackSupport Data Engineering Podcast

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Data engineering is all about building workflows, pipelines, systems, and interfaces to provide stable and reliable data. Your data can be stable and wrong, but then it isn't reliable. Confidence in your data is achieved through constant validation and testing. Datafold has invested a lot of time into integrating with the workflow of dbt projects to add early verification that the changes you are making are correct. In this episode Gleb Mezhanskiy shares some valuable advice and insights into how you can build reliable and well-tested data assets with dbt and data-diff.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management RudderStack helps you build a customer data platform on your warehouse or data lake. Instead of trapping data in a black box, they enable you to easily collect customer data from the entire stack and build an identity graph on your warehouse, giving you full visibility and control. Their SDKs make event streaming from any app or website easy, and their extensive library of integrations enable you to automatically send data to hundreds of downstream tools. Sign up free at dataengineeringpodcast.com/rudderstack Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Gleb Mezhanskiy about how to test your dbt projects with Datafold

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you describe what Datafold is and what's new since we last spoke? (July 2021 and July 2022 about data-diff) What are the roadblocks to data testing/validation that you see teams run into most often?

How does the tooling used contribute to/help address those roadblocks?

What are some of the error conditions/failure modes that data-diff can help identify in a dbt project?

What are some examples of tests that need to be implemented by the engineer?

In your experience working with data teams, what typically constitutes the "staging area" for a dbt project? (e.g. separate warehouse, namespaced tables, snowflake data copies, lakefs, etc.) Given a dbt project that is well tested and has data-diff as part of the validation suite, what are the challenges that teams face in managing the feedback cycle of running those tests? In application development there is the idea of the "testing pyramid", consisting of unit tests, integration tests, system tests, etc. What are the parallels to that in data projects?

What are the limitations of the data ecosystem that make testing a bigger challenge than it might otherwise be?

Beyond test execution, what are the other aspects of data health that need to be included in the development and deployment workflow of dbt projects? (e.g. freshness, time to delivery, etc.) What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Datafold and/or data-diff used for testing dbt projects? What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on dbt testing internally or with your customers? When is Datafold/data-diff the wrong choice for dbt projects? What do you have planned for the future of Datafold?

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Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The Machine Learning Podcast helps you go from idea to production with machine learning. Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes. If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected]) with your story. To help other people find the show please leave a review on Apple Podcasts and tell your friends and co-workers

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From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

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Summary The perennial challenge of data engineers is ensuring that information is integrated reliably. While it is straightforward to know whether a synchronization process succeeded, it is not always clear whether every record was copied correctly. In order to quickly identify if and how two data systems are out of sync Gleb Mezhanskiy and Simon Eskildsen partnered to create the open source data-diff utility. In this episode they explain how the utility is implemented to run quickly and how you can start using it in your own data workflows to ensure that your data warehouse isn’t missing any records from your source systems.

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Summary Data quality is a concern that has been gaining attention alongside the rising importance of analytics for business success. Many solutions rely on hand-coded rules for catching known bugs, or statistical analysis of records to detect anomalies retroactively. While those are useful tools, it is far better to prevent data errors before they become an outsized issue. In this episode Gleb Mezhanskiy shares some strategies for adding quality checks at every stage of your development and deployment workflow to identify and fix problematic changes to your data before they get to production.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management You listen to this show to learn about all of the latest tools, patterns, and practices that power data engineering projects across every domain. Now there’s a book that captures the foundational lessons and principles that underly everything that you hear about here. I’m happy to announce I collected wisdom from the community to help you in your journey as a data engineer and worked with O’Reilly to publish it as 97 Things Every Data Engineer Should Know. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/97things today to get your copy! When you’re ready to build your next pipeline, or want to test out the projects you hear about on the show, you’ll need somewhere to deploy it, so check out our friends at Linode. With their managed Kubernetes platform it’s now even easier to deploy and scale your workflows, or try out the latest Helm charts from tools like Pulsar and Pachyderm. With simple pricing, fast networking, object storage, and worldwide data centers, you’ve got everything you need to run a bulletproof data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/linode today and get a $100 credit to try out a Kubernetes cluster of your own. And don’t forget to thank them for their continued support of this show! RudderStack’s smart customer data pipeline is warehouse-first. It builds your customer data warehouse and your identity graph on your data warehouse, with support for Snowflake, Google BigQuery, Amazon Redshift, and more. Their SDKs and plugins make event streaming easy, and their integrations with cloud applications like Salesforce and ZenDesk help you go beyond event streaming. With RudderStack you can use all of your customer data to answer more difficult questions and then send those insights to your whole customer data stack. Sign up free at dataengineeringpodcast.com/rudder today. We’ve all been asked to help with an ad-hoc request for data by the sales and marketing team. Then it becomes a critical report that they need updated every week or every day. Then what do you do? Send a CSV via email? Write some Python scripts to automate it? But what about incremental sync, API quotas, error handling, and all of the other details that eat up your time? Today, there is a better way. With Census, just write SQL or plug in your dbt models and start syncing your cloud warehouse to SaaS applications like Salesforce, Marketo, Hubspot, and many more. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/census today to get a free 14-day trial. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I’m interviewing Gleb Mezhanskiy about strategies for proactive data quality management and his work at Datafold to help provide tools for implementing them

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you describe what you are building at Datafold and the story behind it? What are the biggest factors that you see contributing to data quality issues?

How are teams identifying and addressing those failures?

How does the data platform architecture impact the potential for introducing quality problems? What are some of the potential risks or consequences of introducing errors in data processing? How can organizations shift to being proactive in their data quality management?

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