Summary In this crossover episode, Max Beauchemin explores how multiplayer, multi‑agent engineering is transforming the way individuals and teams build data and AI systems. He digs into the shifting boundary between data and AI engineering, the rise of “context as code,” and how just‑in‑time retrieval via MCP and CLIs lets agents gather what they need without bloating context windows. Max shares hard‑won practices from going “AI‑first” for most tasks, where humans focus on orchestration and taste, and the new bottlenecks that appear — code review, QA, async coordination — when execution accelerates 2–10x. He also dives deep into Agor, his open‑source agent orchestration platform: a spatial, multiplayer workspace that manages Git worktrees and live dev environments, templatizes prompts by workflow zones, supports session forking and sub‑sessions, and exposes an internal MCP so agents can schedule, monitor, and even coordinate other agents.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData teams everywhere face the same problem: they're forcing ML models, streaming data, and real-time processing through orchestration tools built for simple ETL. The result? Inflexible infrastructure that can't adapt to different workloads. That's why Cash App and Cisco rely on Prefect. Cash App's fraud detection team got what they needed - flexible compute options, isolated environments for custom packages, and seamless data exchange between workflows. Each model runs on the right infrastructure, whether that's high-memory machines or distributed compute. Orchestration is the foundation that determines whether your data team ships or struggles. ETL, ML model training, AI Engineering, Streaming - Prefect runs it all from ingestion to activation in one platform. Whoop and 1Password also trust Prefect for their data operations. If these industry leaders use Prefect for critical workflows, see what it can do for you at dataengineeringpodcast.com/prefect.Data migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.Composable data infrastructure is great, until you spend all of your time gluing it together. Bruin is an open source framework, driven from the command line, that makes integration a breeze. Write Python and SQL to handle the business logic, and let Bruin handle the heavy lifting of data movement, lineage tracking, data quality monitoring, and governance enforcement. Bruin allows you to build end-to-end data workflows using AI, has connectors for hundreds of platforms, and helps data teams deliver faster. Teams that use Bruin need less engineering effort to process data and benefit from a fully integrated data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/bruin today to get started. And for dbt Cloud customers, they'll give you $1,000 credit to migrate to Bruin Cloud.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Maxime Beauchemin about the impact of multi-player multi-agent engineering on individual and team velocity for building better data systemsInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you start by giving an overview of the types of work that you are relying on AI development agents for?As you bring agents into the mix for software engineering, what are the bottlenecks that start to show up?In my own experience there are a finite number of agents that I can manage in parallel. How does Agor help to increase that limit?How does making multi-agent management a multi-player experience change the dynamics of how you apply agentic engineering workflows?Contact Info LinkedInLinks AgorApache AirflowApache SupersetPresetClaude CodeCodexPlaywright MCPTmuxGit WorktreesOpencode.aiGitHub CodespacesOnaThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary  In this episode Preeti Somal, EVP of Engineering at Temporal, talks about the durable execution model and how it reshapes the way teams build reliable, stateful systems for data and AI. She explores Temporal’s code‑first programming model—workflows, activities, task queues, and replay—and how it eliminates hand‑rolled retry, checkpoint, and error‑handling scaffolding while letting data remain where it lives. Preeti shares real-world patterns for replacing DAG-first orchestration, integrating application and data teams through signals and Nexus for cross-boundary calls, and using Temporal to coordinate long-running, human-in-the-loop, and agentic AI workflows with full observability and auditability. Shee also discusses heuristics for choosing Temporal alongside (or instead of) traditional orchestrators, managing scale without moving large datasets, and lessons from running durable execution as a cloud service. 

Announcements  Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData teams everywhere face the same problem: they're forcing ML models, streaming data, and real-time processing through orchestration tools built for simple ETL. The result? Inflexible infrastructure that can't adapt to different workloads. That's why Cash App and Cisco rely on Prefect. Cash App's fraud detection team got what they needed - flexible compute options, isolated environments for custom packages, and seamless data exchange between workflows. Each model runs on the right infrastructure, whether that's high-memory machines or distributed compute. Orchestration is the foundation that determines whether your data team ships or struggles. ETL, ML model training, AI Engineering, Streaming - Prefect runs it all from ingestion to activation in one platform. Whoop and 1Password also trust Prefect for their data operations. If these industry leaders use Prefect for critical workflows, see what it can do for you at dataengineeringpodcast.com/prefect.Data migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details. Composable data infrastructure is great, until you spend all of your time gluing it together. Bruin is an open source framework, driven from the command line, that makes integration a breeze. Write Python and SQL to handle the business logic, and let Bruin handle the heavy lifting of data movement, lineage tracking, data quality monitoring, and governance enforcement. Bruin allows you to build end-to-end data workflows using AI, has connectors for hundreds of platforms, and helps data teams deliver faster. Teams that use Bruin need less engineering effort to process data and benefit from a fully integrated data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/bruin today to get started. And for dbt Cloud customers, they'll give you $1,000 credit to migrate to Bruin Cloud.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Preeti Somal about how to incorporate durable execution and state management into AI application architectures Interview   IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you describe what durable execution is and how it impacts system architecture?With the strong focus on state maintenance and high reliability, what are some of the most impactful ways that data teams are incorporating tools like Temporal into their work?One of the core primitives in Temporal is a "workflow". How does that compare to similar primitives in common data orchestration systems such as Airflow, Dagster, Prefect, etc.?  What are the heuristics that you recommend when deciding which tool to use for a given task, particularly in data/pipeline oriented projects? Even if a team is using a more data-focused orchestration engine, what are some of the ways that Temporal can be applied to handle the processing logic of the actual data?AI applications are also very dependent on reliable data to be effective in production contexts. What are some of the design patterns where durable execution can be integrated into RAG/agent applications?What are some of the conceptual hurdles that teams experience when they are starting to adopt Temporal or other durable execution frameworks?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Temporal/durable execution used for data/AI services?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on Temporal?When is Temporal/durable execution the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of Temporal for data and AI systems? Contact Info   LinkedIn Parting Question   From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today? Closing Announcements   Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story. Links   TemporalDurable ExecutionFlinkMachine Learning EpochSpark StreamingAirflowDirected Acyclic Graph (DAG)Temporal NexusTensorZeroAI Engineering Podcast Episode The intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA  

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Ariel Pohoryles, head of product marketing for Boomi's data management offerings, talks about a recent survey of 300 data leaders on how organizations are investing in data to scale AI. He shares a paradox uncovered in the research: while 77% of leaders trust the data feeding their AI systems, only 50% trust their organization's data overall. Ariel explains why truly productionizing AI demands broader, continuously refreshed data with stronger automation and governance, and highlights the challenges posed by unstructured data and vector stores. The conversation covers the need to shift from manual reviews to automated pipelines, the resurgence of metadata and master data management, and the importance of guardrails, traceability, and agent governance. Ariel also predicts a growing convergence between data teams and application integration teams and advises leaders to focus on high-value use cases, aggressive pipeline automation, and cataloging and governing the coming sprawl of AI agents, all while using AI to accelerate data engineering itself.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData teams everywhere face the same problem: they're forcing ML models, streaming data, and real-time processing through orchestration tools built for simple ETL. The result? Inflexible infrastructure that can't adapt to different workloads. That's why Cash App and Cisco rely on Prefect. Cash App's fraud detection team got what they needed - flexible compute options, isolated environments for custom packages, and seamless data exchange between workflows. Each model runs on the right infrastructure, whether that's high-memory machines or distributed compute. Orchestration is the foundation that determines whether your data team ships or struggles. ETL, ML model training, AI Engineering, Streaming - Prefect runs it all from ingestion to activation in one platform. Whoop and 1Password also trust Prefect for their data operations. If these industry leaders use Prefect for critical workflows, see what it can do for you at dataengineeringpodcast.com/prefect.Data migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.Composable data infrastructure is great, until you spend all of your time gluing it together. Bruin is an open source framework, driven from the command line, that makes integration a breeze. Write Python and SQL to handle the business logic, and let Bruin handle the heavy lifting of data movement, lineage tracking, data quality monitoring, and governance enforcement. Bruin allows you to build end-to-end data workflows using AI, has connectors for hundreds of platforms, and helps data teams deliver faster. Teams that use Bruin need less engineering effort to process data and benefit from a fully integrated data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/bruin today to get started. And for dbt Cloud customers, they'll give you $1,000 credit to migrate to Bruin Cloud.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Ariel Pohoryles about data management investments that organizations are making to enable them to scale AI implementationsInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you start by describing the motivation and scope of your recent survey on data management investments for AI across your respondents?What are the key takeaways that were most significant to you?The survey reveals a fascinating paradox: 77% of leaders trust the data used by their AI systems, yet only half trust their organization's overall data quality. For our data engineering audience, what does this suggest about how companies are currently sourcing data for AI? Does it imply they are using narrow, manually-curated "golden datasets," and what are the technical challenges and risks of that approach as they try to scale?The report highlights a heavy reliance on manual data quality processes, with one expert noting companies feel it's "not reliable to fully automate validation" for external or customer data. At the same time, maturity in "Automated tools for data integration and cleansing" is low, at only 42%. What specific technical hurdles or organizational inertia are preventing teams from adopting more automation in their data quality and integration pipelines?There was a significant point made that with generative AI, "biases can scale much faster," making automated governance essential. From a data engineering perspective, how does the data management strategy need to evolve to support generative AI versus traditional ML models? What new types of data quality checks, lineage tracking, or monitoring for feedback loops are required when the model itself is generating new content based on its own outputs?The report champions a "centralized data management platform" as the "connective tissue" for reliable AI. How do you see the scale and data maturity impacting the realities of that effort?How do architectural patterns in the shape of cloud warehouses, lakehouses, data mesh, data products, etc. factor into that need for centralized/unified platforms?A surprising finding was that a third of respondents have not fully grasped the risk of significant inaccuracies in their AI models if they fail to prioritize data management. In your experience, what are the biggest blind spots for data and analytics leaders?Looking at the maturity charts, companies rate themselves highly on "Developing a data management strategy" (65%) but lag significantly in areas like "Automated tools for data integration and cleansing" (42%) and "Conducting bias-detection audits" (24%). If you were advising a data engineering team lead based on these findings, what would you tell them to prioritize in the next 6-12 months to bridge the gap between strategy and a truly scalable, trustworthy data foundation for AI?The report states that 83% of companies expect to integrate more data sources for their AI in the next year. For a data engineer on the ground, what is the most important capability they need to build into their platform to handle this influx?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen teams addressing the new and accelerated data needs for AI applications?What are some of the noteworthy trends or predictions that you have for the near-term future of the impact that AI is having or will have on data teams and systems?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links BoomiData ManagementIntegration & Automation DemoAgentstudioData Connector Agent WebinarSurvey ResultsData GovernanceShadow ITPodcast EpisodeThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Omri Lifshitz (CTO) and Ido Bronstein (CEO) of Upriver talk about the growing gap between AI's demand for high-quality data and organizations' current data practices. They discuss why AI accelerates both the supply and demand sides of data, highlighting that the bottleneck lies in the "middle layer" of curation, semantics, and serving. Omri and Ido outline a three-part framework for making data usable by LLMs and agents: collect, curate, serve, and share challenges of scaling from POCs to production, including compounding error rates and reliability concerns. They also explore organizational shifts, patterns for managing context windows, pragmatic views on schema choices, and Upriver's approach to building autonomous data workflows using determinism and LLMs at the right boundaries. The conversation concludes with a look ahead to AI-first data platforms where engineers supervise business semantics while automation stitches technical details end-to-end.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData teams everywhere face the same problem: they're forcing ML models, streaming data, and real-time processing through orchestration tools built for simple ETL. The result? Inflexible infrastructure that can't adapt to different workloads. That's why Cash App and Cisco rely on Prefect. Cash App's fraud detection team got what they needed - flexible compute options, isolated environments for custom packages, and seamless data exchange between workflows. Each model runs on the right infrastructure, whether that's high-memory machines or distributed compute. Orchestration is the foundation that determines whether your data team ships or struggles. ETL, ML model training, AI Engineering, Streaming - Prefect runs it all from ingestion to activation in one platform. Whoop and 1Password also trust Prefect for their data operations. If these industry leaders use Prefect for critical workflows, see what it can do for you at dataengineeringpodcast.com/prefect.Data migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.Composable data infrastructure is great, until you spend all of your time gluing it together. Bruin is an open source framework, driven from the command line, that makes integration a breeze. Write Python and SQL to handle the business logic, and let Bruin handle the heavy lifting of data movement, lineage tracking, data quality monitoring, and governance enforcement. Bruin allows you to build end-to-end data workflows using AI, has connectors for hundreds of platforms, and helps data teams deliver faster. Teams that use Bruin need less engineering effort to process data and benefit from a fully integrated data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/bruin today to get started. And for dbt Cloud customers, they'll give you $1,000 credit to migrate to Bruin Cloud.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Omri Lifshitz and Ido Bronstein about the challenges of keeping up with the demand for data when supporting AI systemsInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?We're here to talk about "The Growing Gap Between Data & AI". From your perspective, what is this gap, and why do you think it's widening so rapidly right now?How does this gap relate to the founding story of Upriver? What problems were you and your co-founders experiencing that led you to build this?The core premise of new AI tools, from RAG pipelines to LLM agents, is that they are only as good as the data they're given. How does this "garbage in, garbage out" problem change when the "in" is not a static file but a complex, high-velocity, and constantly changing data pipeline?Upriver is described as an "intelligent agent system" and an "autonomous data engineer." This is a fascinating "AI to solve for AI" approach. Can you describe this agent-based architecture and how it specifically works to bridge that data-AI gap?Your website mentions a "Data Context Layer" that turns "tribal knowledge" into a "machine-usable mode." This sounds critical for AI. How do you capture that context, and how does it make data "AI-ready" in a way that a traditional data catalog or quality tool doesn't?What are the most innovative or unexpected ways you've seen companies trying to make their data "AI-ready"? And where are the biggest points of failure you observe?What has been the most challenging or unexpected lesson you've learned while building an AI system (Upriver) that is designed to fix the data foundation for other AI systems?When is an autonomous, agent-based approach not the right solution for a team's data quality problems? What organizational or technical maturity is required to even start closing this data-AI gap?What do you have planned for the future of Upriver? And looking more broadly, how do you see this gap between data and AI evolving over the next few years?Contact Info Ido - LinkedInOmri - LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links UpriverRAG == Retrieval Augmented GenerationAI Engineering Podcast EpisodeAI AgentContext WindowModel Finetuning)The intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Matt Topper, president of UberEther, talks about the complex challenge of identity, credentials, and access control in modern data platforms. With the shift to composable ecosystems, integration burdens have exploded, fracturing governance and auditability across warehouses, lakes, files, vector stores, and streaming systems. Matt shares practical solutions, including propagating user identity via JWTs, externalizing policy with engines like OPA/Rego and Cedar, and using database proxies for native row/column security. He also explores catalog-driven governance, lineage-based label propagation, and OpenTDF for binding policies to data objects. The conversation covers machine-to-machine access, short-lived credentials, workload identity, and constraining access by interface choke points, as well as lessons from Zanzibar-style policy models and the human side of enforcement. Matt emphasizes the need for trust composition - unifying provenance, policy, and identity context - to answer questions about data access, usage, and intent across the entire data path.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData teams everywhere face the same problem: they're forcing ML models, streaming data, and real-time processing through orchestration tools built for simple ETL. The result? Inflexible infrastructure that can't adapt to different workloads. That's why Cash App and Cisco rely on Prefect. Cash App's fraud detection team got what they needed - flexible compute options, isolated environments for custom packages, and seamless data exchange between workflows. Each model runs on the right infrastructure, whether that's high-memory machines or distributed compute. Orchestration is the foundation that determines whether your data team ships or struggles. ETL, ML model training, AI Engineering, Streaming - Prefect runs it all from ingestion to activation in one platform. Whoop and 1Password also trust Prefect for their data operations. If these industry leaders use Prefect for critical workflows, see what it can do for you at dataengineeringpodcast.com/prefect.Data migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.Composable data infrastructure is great, until you spend all of your time gluing it together. Bruin is an open source framework, driven from the command line, that makes integration a breeze. Write Python and SQL to handle the business logic, and let Bruin handle the heavy lifting of data movement, lineage tracking, data quality monitoring, and governance enforcement. Bruin allows you to build end-to-end data workflows using AI, has connectors for hundreds of platforms, and helps data teams deliver faster. Teams that use Bruin need less engineering effort to process data and benefit from a fully integrated data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/bruin today to get started. And for dbt Cloud customers, they'll give you $1,000 credit to migrate to Bruin Cloud.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Matt Topper about the challenges of managing identity and access controls in the context of data systemsInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?The data ecosystem is a uniquely challenging space for creating and enforcing technical controls for identity and access control. What are the key considerations for designing a strategy for addressing those challenges?For data acess the off-the-shelf options are typically on either extreme of too coarse or too granular in their capabilities. What do you see as the major factors that contribute to that situation?Data governance policies are often used as the primary means of identifying what data can be accesssed by whom, but translating that into enforceable constraints is often left as a secondary exercise. How can we as an industry make that a more manageable and sustainable practice?How can the audit trails that are generated by data systems be used to inform the technical controls for identity and access?How can the foundational technologies of our data platforms be improved to make identity and authz a more composable primitive?How does the introduction of streaming/real-time data ingest and delivery complicate the challenges of security controls?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen data teams address ICAM?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on ICAM?What are the aspects of ICAM in data systems that you are paying close attention to?What are your predictions for the industry adoption or enforcement of those controls?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links UberEtherJWT == JSON Web TokenOPA == Open Policy AgentRegoPingIdentityOktaMicrosoft EntraSAML == Security Assertion Markup LanguageOAuthOIDC == OpenID ConnectIDP == Identity ProviderKubernetesIstioAmazon CEDAR policy languageAWS IAMPII == Personally Identifiable InformationCISO == Chief Information Security OfficerOpenTDFOpenFGAGoogle ZanzibarRisk Management FrameworkModel Context ProtocolGoogle Data ProjectTPM == Trusted Platform ModulePKI == Public Key InfrastructurePassskeysDuckLakePodcast EpisodeAccumuloJDBCOpenBaoHashicorp VaultLDAPThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the AI Engineering Podcast Mark Brooker, VP and Distinguished Engineer at AWS, talks about how agentic workflows are transforming database usage and infrastructure design. He discusses the evolving role of data in AI systems, from traditional models to more modern approaches like vectors, RAG, and relational databases. Mark explains why agents require serverless, elastic, and operationally simple databases, and how AWS solutions like Aurora and DSQL address these needs with features such as rapid provisioning, automated patching, geodistribution, and spiky usage. The conversation covers topics including tool calling, improved model capabilities, state in agents versus stateless LLM calls, and the role of Lambda and AgentCore for long-running, session-isolated agents. Mark also touches on the shift from local MCP tools to secure, remote endpoints, the rise of object storage as a durable backplane, and the need for better identity and authorization models. The episode highlights real-world patterns like agent-driven SQL fuzzing and plan analysis, while identifying gaps in simplifying data access, hardening ops for autonomous systems, and evolving serverless database ergonomics to keep pace with agentic development.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData teams everywhere face the same problem: they're forcing ML models, streaming data, and real-time processing through orchestration tools built for simple ETL. The result? Inflexible infrastructure that can't adapt to different workloads. That's why Cash App and Cisco rely on Prefect. Cash App's fraud detection team got what they needed - flexible compute options, isolated environments for custom packages, and seamless data exchange between workflows. Each model runs on the right infrastructure, whether that's high-memory machines or distributed compute. Orchestration is the foundation that determines whether your data team ships or struggles. ETL, ML model training, AI Engineering, Streaming - Prefect runs it all from ingestion to activation in one platform. Whoop and 1Password also trust Prefect for their data operations. If these industry leaders use Prefect for critical workflows, see what it can do for you at dataengineeringpodcast.com/prefect.Data migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Marc Brooker about the impact of agentic workflows on database usage patterns and how they change the architectural requirements for databasesInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you describe what the role of the database is in agentic workflows?There are numerous types of databases, with relational being the most prevalent. How does the type and purpose of an agent inform the type of database that should be used?Anecdotally I have heard about how agentic workloads have become the predominant "customers" of services like Neon and Fly.io. How would you characterize the different patterns of scale for agentic AI applications? (e.g. proliferation of agents, monolithic agents, multi-agent, etc.)What are some of the most significant impacts on workload and access patterns for data storage and retrieval that agents introduce?What are the categorical differences in that behavior as compared to programmatic/automated systems?You have spent a substantial amount of time on Lambda at AWS. Given that LLMs are effectively stateless, how does the added ephemerality of serverless functions impact design and performance considerations around having to "re-hydrate" context when interacting with agents?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen serverless and database systems used for agentic workloads?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on technologies that are supporting agentic applications?Contact Info BlogLinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links AWS Aurora DSQLAWS LambdaThree Tier ArchitectureVector DatabaseGraph DatabaseRelational DatabaseVector EmbeddingRAG == Retrieval Augmented GenerationAI Engineering Podcast EpisodeGraphRAGAI Engineering Podcast EpisodeLLM Tool CallingMCP == Model Context ProtocolA2A == Agent 2 Agent ProtocolAWS Bedrock AgentCoreStrandsLangChainKiroThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Serge Gershkovich, head of product at SQL DBM, talks about the socio-technical aspects of data modeling. Serge shares his background in data modeling and highlights its importance as a collaborative process between business stakeholders and data teams. He debunks common misconceptions that data modeling is optional or secondary, emphasizing its crucial role in ensuring alignment between business requirements and data structures. The conversation covers challenges in complex environments, the impact of technical decisions on data strategy, and the evolving role of AI in data management. Serge stresses the need for business stakeholders' involvement in data initiatives and a systematic approach to data modeling, warning against relying solely on technical expertise without considering business alignment.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.Enterprises today face an enormous challenge: they’re investing billions into Snowflake and Databricks, but without strong foundations, those investments risk becoming fragmented, expensive, and hard to govern. And that’s especially evident in large, complex enterprise data environments. That’s why companies like DirecTV and Pfizer rely on SqlDBM. Data modeling may be one of the most traditional practices in IT, but it remains the backbone of enterprise data strategy. In today’s cloud era, that backbone needs a modern approach built natively for the cloud, with direct connections to the very platforms driving your business forward. Without strong modeling, data management becomes chaotic, analytics lose trust, and AI initiatives fail to scale. SqlDBM ensures enterprises don’t just move to the cloud—they maximize their ROI by creating governed, scalable, and business-aligned data environments. If global enterprises are using SqlDBM to tackle the biggest challenges in data management, analytics, and AI, isn’t it worth exploring what it can do for yours? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/sqldbm to learn more.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Serge Gershkovich about how and why data modeling is a sociotechnical endeavorInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you start by describing the activities that you think of when someone says the term "data modeling"?What are the main groupings of incomplete or inaccurate definitions that you typically encounter in conversation on the topic?How do those conceptions of the problem lead to challenges and bottlenecks in execution?Data modeling is often associated with data warehouse design, but it also extends to source systems and unstructured/semi-structured assets. How does the inclusion of other data localities help in the overall success of a data/domain modeling effort?Another aspect of data modeling that often consumes a substantial amount of debate is which pattern to adhere to (star/snowflake, data vault, one big table, anchor modeling, etc.). What are some of the ways that you have found effective to remove that as a stumbling block when first developing an organizational domain representation?While the overall purpose of data modeling is to provide a digital representation of the business processes, there are inevitable technical decisions to be made. What are the most significant ways that the underlying technical systems can help or hinder the goals of building a digital twin of the business?What impact (positive and negative) are you seeing from the introduction of LLMs into the workflow of data modeling?How does tool use (e.g. MCP connection to warehouse/lakehouse) help when developing the transformation logic for achieving a given domain representation? What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen organizations address the data modeling lifecycle?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working with organizations implementing a data modeling effort?What are the overall trends in the ecosystem that you are monitoring related to data modeling practices?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Links sqlDBMSAPJoe ReisERD == Entity Relation DiagramMaster Data ManagementdbtData ContractsData Modeling With Snowflake book by Serge (affiliate link)Type 2 DimensionData VaultStar SchemaAnchor ModelingRalph KimballBill InmonSixth Normal FormMCP == Model Context ProtocolThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Lucas Thelosen and Drew Gilson from Gravity talk about their development of Orion, an autonomous data analyst that bridges the gap between data availability and business decision-making. Lucas and Drew share their backgrounds in data analytics and how their experiences have shaped their approach to leveraging AI for data analysis, emphasizing the potential of AI to democratize data insights and make sophisticated analysis accessible to companies of all sizes. They discuss the technical aspects of Orion, a multi-agent system designed to automate data analysis and provide actionable insights, highlighting the importance of integrating AI into existing workflows with accuracy and trustworthiness in mind. The conversation also explores how AI can free data analysts from routine tasks, enabling them to focus on strategic decision-making and stakeholder management, as they discuss the future of AI in data analytics and its transformative impact on businesses.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Lucas Thelosen and Drew Gilson about the engineering and impact of building an autonomous data analystInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you describe what Orion is and the story behind it?How do you envision the role of an agentic analyst in an organizational context?There have been several attempts at building LLM-powered data analysis, many of which are essentially a text-to-SQL interface. How have the capabilities and architectural patterns grown in the past ~2 years to enable a more capable system?One of the key success factors for a data analyst is their ability to translate business questions into technical representations. How can an autonomous AI-powered system understand the complex nuance of the business to build effective analyses?Many agentic approaches to analytics require a substantial investment in data architecture, documentation, and semantic models to be effective. What are the gradations of effectiveness for autonomous analytics for companies who are at different points on their journey to technical maturity?Beyond raw capability, there is also a significant need to invest in user experience design for an agentic analyst to be useful. What are the key interaction patterns that you have found to be helpful as you have developed your system?How does the introduction of a system like Orion shift the workload for data teams?Can you describe the overall system design and technical architecture of Orion?How has that changed as you gained further experience and understanding of the problem space?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Orion used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on Orion?When is Orion/agentic analytics the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of Orion?Contact Info LucasLinkedInDrewLinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links OrionLookerGravityVBA == Visual Basic for ApplicationsText-To-SQLOne-shotLookMLData GrainLLM As A JudgeGoogle Large Time Series ModelThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Alex Albu, tech lead for AI initiatives at Starburst, talks about integrating AI workloads with the lakehouse architecture. From his software engineering roots to leading data engineering efforts, Alex shares insights on enhancing Starburst's platform to support AI applications, including an AI agent for data exploration and using AI for metadata enrichment and workload optimization. He discusses the challenges of integrating AI with data systems, innovations like SQL functions for AI tasks and vector databases, and the limitations of traditional architectures in handling AI workloads. Alex also shares his vision for the future of Starburst, including support for new data formats and AI-driven data exploration tools.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.This is a pharmaceutical Ad for Soda Data Quality. Do you suffer from chronic dashboard distrust? Are broken pipelines and silent schema changes wreaking havoc on your analytics? You may be experiencing symptoms of Undiagnosed Data Quality Syndrome — also known as UDQS. Ask your data team about Soda. 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Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/soda to sign up and follow Soda’s launch week. It starts June 9th. This episode is brought to you by Coresignal, your go-to source for high-quality public web data to power best-in-class AI products. Instead of spending time collecting, cleaning, and enriching data in-house, use ready-made multi-source B2B data that can be smoothly integrated into your systems via APIs or as datasets. With over 3 billion data records from 15+ online sources, Coresignal delivers high-quality data on companies, employees, and jobs. It is powering decision-making for more than 700 companies across AI, investment, HR tech, sales tech, and market intelligence industries. A founding member of the Ethical Web Data Collection Initiative, Coresignal stands out not only for its data quality but also for its commitment to responsible data collection practices. Recognized as the top data provider by Datarade for two consecutive years, Coresignal is the go-to partner for those who need fresh, accurate, and ethically sourced B2B data at scale. Discover how Coresignal's data can enhance your AI platforms. Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/coresignal to start your free 14-day trial.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Alex Albu about how Starburst is extending the lakehouse to support AI workloadsInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you start by outlining the interaction points of AI with the types of data workflows that you are supporting with Starburst?What are some of the limitations of warehouse and lakehouse systems when it comes to supporting AI systems?What are the points of friction for engineers who are trying to employ LLMs in the work of maintaining a lakehouse environment?Methods such as tool use (exemplified by MCP) are a means of bolting on AI models to systems like Trino. What are some of the ways that is insufficient or cumbersome?Can you describe the technical implementation of the AI-oriented features that you have incorporated into the Starburst platform?What are the foundational architectural modifications that you had to make to enable those capabilities?For the vector storage and indexing, what modifications did you have to make to iceberg?What was your reasoning for not using a format like Lance?For teams who are using Starburst and your new AI features, what are some examples of the workflows that they can expect?What new capabilities are enabled by virtue of embedding AI features into the interface to the lakehouse?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Starburst AI features used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on AI features for Starburst?When is Starburst/lakehouse the wrong choice for a given AI use case?What do you have planned for the future of AI on Starburst?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links StarburstPodcast EpisodeAWS AthenaMCP == Model Context ProtocolLLM Tool UseVector EmbeddingsRAG == Retrieval Augmented GenerationAI Engineering Podcast EpisodeStarburst Data ProductsLanceLanceDBParquetORCpgvectorStarburst IcehouseThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Gleb Mezhanskiy, CEO and co-founder of DataFold, talks about the intersection of AI and data engineering. He discusses the challenges and opportunities of integrating AI into data engineering, particularly using large language models (LLMs) to enhance productivity and reduce manual toil. The conversation covers the potential of AI to transform data engineering tasks, such as text-to-SQL interfaces and creating semantic graphs to improve data accessibility, and explores practical applications of LLMs in automating code reviews, testing, and understanding data lineage.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Gleb Mezhanskiy about Interview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?modern data stack is deadwhere is AI in the data stack?"buy our tool to ship AI"opportunities for LLM in DE workflowContact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links DatafoldCopilotCursor IDEAI AgentsDataChatAI Engineering Podcast EpisodeMetrics LayerEmacsLangChainLangGraphCrewAIThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Andrew Luo, CEO of OneSchema, talks about handling CSV data in business operations. Andrew shares his background in data engineering and CRM migration, which led to the creation of OneSchema, a platform designed to automate CSV imports and improve data validation processes. He discusses the challenges of working with CSVs, including inconsistent type representation, lack of schema information, and technical complexities, and explains how OneSchema addresses these issues using multiple CSV parsers and AI for data type inference and validation. Andrew highlights the business case for OneSchema, emphasizing efficiency gains for companies dealing with large volumes of CSV data, and shares plans to expand support for other data formats and integrate AI-driven transformation packs for specific industries.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Andrew Luo about how OneSchema addresses the headaches of dealing with CSV data for your businessInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Despite the years of evolution and improvement in data storage and interchange formats, CSVs are just as prevalent as ever. What are your opinions/theories on why they are so ubiquitous?What are some of the major sources of CSV data for teams that rely on them for business and analytical processes?The most obvious challenge with CSVs is their lack of type information, but they are notorious for having numerous other problems. What are some of the other major challenges involved with using CSVs for data interchange/ingestion?Can you describe what you are building at OneSchema and the story behind it?What are the core problems that you are solving, and for whom?Can you describe how you have architected your platform to be able to manage the variety, volume, and multi-tenancy of data that you process?How have the design and goals of the product changed since you first started working on it?What are some of the major performance issues that you have encountered while dealing with CSV data at scale?What are some of the most surprising things that you have learned about CSVs in the process of building OneSchema?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen OneSchema used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on OneSchema?When is OneSchema the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of OneSchema?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links OneSchemaEDI == Electronic Data InterchangeUTF-8 BOM (Byte Order Mark) CharactersSOAPCSV RFCIcebergSSIS == SQL Server Integration ServicesMS AccessDatafusionJSON SchemaSFTP == Secure File Transfer ProtocolThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary The core task of data engineering is managing the flows of data through an organization. In order to ensure those flows are executing on schedule and without error is the role of the data orchestrator. Which orchestration engine you choose impacts the ways that you architect the rest of your data platform. In this episode Hugo Lu shares his thoughts as the founder of an orchestration company on how to think about data orchestration and data platform design as we navigate the current era of data engineering.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementIt’s 2024, why are we still doing data migrations by hand? Teams spend months—sometimes years—manually converting queries and validating data, burning resources and crushing morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent brings migrations into the modern era. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today to learn how Datafold can automate your migration and ensure source to target parity. As a listener of the Data Engineering Podcast you clearly care about data and how it affects your organization and the world. For even more perspective on the ways that data impacts everything around us don't miss Data Citizens® Dialogues, the forward-thinking podcast brought to you by Collibra. You'll get further insights from industry leaders, innovators, and executives in the world's largest companies on the topics that are top of mind for everyone. In every episode of Data Citizens® Dialogues, industry leaders unpack data’s impact on the world, from big picture questions like AI governance and data sharing to more nuanced questions like, how do we balance offense and defense in data management? In particular I appreciate the ability to hear about the challenges that enterprise scale businesses are tackling in this fast-moving field. The Data Citizens Dialogues podcast is bringing the data conversation to you, so start listening now! Follow Data Citizens Dialogues on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Hugo Lu about the data platform and orchestration ecosystem and how to navigate the available optionsInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in building data platforms?Can you describe what an orchestrator is in the context of data platforms?There are many other contexts in which orchestration is necessary. What are some examples of how orchestrators have adapted (or failed to adapt) to the times?What are the core features that are necessary for an orchestrator to have when dealing with data-oriented workflows?Beyond the bare necessities, what are some of the other features and design considerations that go into building a first-class dat platform or orchestration system?There have been several generations of orchestration engines over the past several years. How would you characterize the different coarse groupings of orchestration engines across those generational boundaries?How do the characteristics of a data orchestrator influence the overarching architecture of an organization's data platform/data operations?What about the reverse?How have the cycles of ML and AI workflow requirements impacted the design requirements for data orchestrators?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen data orchestrators used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on data orchestration?When is an orchestrator the wrong choice?What are your predictions and/or hopes for the future of data orchestration?Contact Info MediumLinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest thing data teams are missing in the technology today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links OrchestraPrevious Episode: Overview Of The State Of Data OrchestrationCronArgoCDDAGKubernetesData MeshAirflowSSIS == SQL Server Integration ServicesPentahoKettleDataVoloNiFiPodcast EpisodeDagstergRPCCoalescePodcast EpisodedbtDataHubPalantirThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast the inimitable Max Beauchemin talks about reusability in data pipelines. The conversation explores the "write everything twice" problem, where similar pipelines are built without code reuse, and discusses the challenges of managing different SQL dialects and relational databases. Max also touches on the evolving role of data engineers, drawing parallels with front-end engineering, and suggests that generative AI could facilitate knowledge capture and distribution in data engineering. He encourages the community to share reference implementations and templates to foster collaboration and innovation, and expresses hopes for a future where code reuse becomes more prevalent.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm joined again by Max Beauchemin to talk about the challenges of reusability in data pipelinesInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you start by sharing your current thesis on the opportunities and shortcomings of code and component reusability in the data context?What are some ways that you think about what constitutes a "component" in this context?The data ecosystem has arguably grown more varied and nuanced in recent years. At the same time, the number and maturity of tools has grown. What is your view on the current trend in productivity for data teams and practitioners?What do you see as the core impediments to building more reusable and general-purpose solutions in data engineering?How can we balance the actual needs of data consumers against their requests (whether well- or un-informed) to help increase our ability to better design our workflows for reuse?In data engineering there are two broad approaches; code-focused or SQL-focused pipelines. In principle one would think that code-focused environments would have better composability. What are you seeing as the realities in your personal experience and what you hear from other teams?When it comes to SQL dialects, dbt offers the option of Jinja macros, whereas SDF and SQLMesh offer automatic translation. There are also tools like PRQL and Malloy that aim to abstract away the underlying SQL. What are the tradeoffs across those options that help or hinder the portability of transformation logic?Which layers of the data stack/steps in the data journey do you see the greatest opportunity for improving the creation of more broadly usable abstractions/reusable elements?low/no code systems for code reuseimpact of LLMs on reusability/compositionimpact of background on industry practices (e.g. DBAs, sysadmins, analysts vs. SWE, etc.)polymorphic data models (e.g. activity schema)What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen teams address composability and reusability of data components?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on data-oriented tools and utilities?What are your hopes and predictions for sharing of code and logic in the future of data engineering?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links Max's Blog PostAirflowSupersetTableauLookerPowerBICohort AnalysisNextJSAirbytePodcast EpisodeFivetranPodcast EpisodeSegmentdbtSQLMeshPodcast EpisodeSparkLAMP StackPHPRelational AlgebraKnowledge GraphPython MarshmallowData Warehouse Lifecycle Toolkit (affiliate link)Entity Centric Data Modeling Blog PostAmplitudeOSACon presentationol-data-platform Tobias' team's data platform codeThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary The challenges of integrating all of the tools in the modern data stack has led to a new generation of tools that focus on a fully integrated workflow. At the same time, there have been many approaches to how much of the workflow is driven by code vs. not. Burak Karakan is of the opinion that a fully integrated workflow that is driven entirely by code offers a beneficial and productive means of generating useful analytical outcomes. In this episode he shares how Bruin builds on those opinions and how you can use it to build your own analytics without having to cobble together a suite of tools with conflicting abstractions.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementImagine catching data issues before they snowball into bigger problems. That’s what Datafold’s new Monitors do. With automatic monitoring for cross-database data diffs, schema changes, key metrics, and custom data tests, you can catch discrepancies and anomalies in real time, right at the source. Whether it’s maintaining data integrity or preventing costly mistakes, Datafold Monitors give you the visibility and control you need to keep your entire data stack running smoothly. Want to stop issues before they hit production? Learn more at dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today!Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Burak Karakan about the benefits of building code-only data systemsInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you describe what Bruin is and the story behind it?Who is your target audience?There are numerous tools that address the ETL workflow for analytical data. What are the pain points that you are focused on for your target users?How does a code-only approach to data pipelines help in addressing the pain points of analytical workflows?How might it act as a limiting factor for organizational involvement?Can you describe how Bruin is designed?How have the design and scope of Bruin evolved since you first started working on it?You call out the ability to mix SQL and Python for transformation pipelines. What are the components that allow for that functionality?What are some of the ways that the combination of Python and SQL improves ergonomics of transformation workflows?What are the key features of Bruin that help to streamline the efforts of organizations building analytical systems?Can you describe the workflow of someone going from source data to warehouse and dashboard using Bruin and Ingestr?What are the opportunities for contributions to Bruin and Ingestr to expand their capabilities?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Bruin and Ingestr used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on Bruin?When is Bruin the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of Bruin?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links BruinFivetranStitchIngestrBruin CLIMeltanoSQLGlotdbtSQLMeshPodcast EpisodeSDFPodcast EpisodeAirflowDagsterSnowparkAtlanEvidenceThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary Gleb Mezhanskiy, CEO and co-founder of DataFold, joins Tobias Macey to discuss the challenges and innovations in data migrations. Gleb shares his experiences building and scaling data platforms at companies like Autodesk and Lyft, and how these experiences inspired the creation of DataFold to address data quality issues across teams. He outlines the complexities of data migrations, including common pitfalls such as technical debt and the importance of achieving parity between old and new systems. Gleb also discusses DataFold's innovative use of AI and large language models (LLMs) to automate translation and reconciliation processes in data migrations, reducing time and effort required for migrations. Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementImagine catching data issues before they snowball into bigger problems. That’s what Datafold’s new Monitors do. With automatic monitoring for cross-database data diffs, schema changes, key metrics, and custom data tests, you can catch discrepancies and anomalies in real time, right at the source. Whether it’s maintaining data integrity or preventing costly mistakes, Datafold Monitors give you the visibility and control you need to keep your entire data stack running smoothly. Want to stop issues before they hit production? Learn more at dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today!Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm welcoming back Gleb Mezhanskiy to talk about Datafold's experience bringing AI to bear on the problem of migrating your data stackInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you describe what the Data Migration Agent is and the story behind it?What is the core problem that you are targeting with the agent?What are the biggest time sinks in the process of database and tooling migration that teams run into?Can you describe the architecture of your agent?What was your selection and evaluation process for the LLM that you are using?What were some of the main unknowns that you had to discover going into the project?What are some of the evolutions in the ecosystem that occurred either during the development process or since your initial launch that have caused you to second-guess elements of the design?In terms of SQL translation there are libraries such as SQLGlot and the work being done with SDF that aim to address that through AST parsing and subsequent dialect generation. What are the ways that approach is insufficient in the context of a platform migration?How does the approach you are taking with the combination of data-diffing and automated translation help build confidence in the migration target?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen the Data Migration Agent used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on building an AI powered migration assistant?When is the data migration agent the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of applications of AI at Datafold?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links DatafoldDatafold Migration AgentDatafold data-diffDatafold Reconciliation Podcast EpisodeSQLGlotLark parserClaude 3.5 SonnetLookerPodcast EpisodeThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Lukas Schulte, co-founder and CEO of SDF, explores the development and capabilities of this fast and expressive SQL transformation tool. From its origins as a solution for addressing data privacy, governance, and quality concerns in modern data management, to its unique features like static analysis and type correctness, Lucas dives into what sets SDF apart from other tools like DBT and SQL Mesh. Tune in for insights on building a business around a developer tool, the importance of community and user experience in the data engineering ecosystem, and plans for future development, including supporting Python models and enhancing execution capabilities. Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementImagine catching data issues before they snowball into bigger problems. That’s what Datafold’s new Monitors do. With automatic monitoring for cross-database data diffs, schema changes, key metrics, and custom data tests, you can catch discrepancies and anomalies in real time, right at the source. Whether it’s maintaining data integrity or preventing costly mistakes, Datafold Monitors give you the visibility and control you need to keep your entire data stack running smoothly. Want to stop issues before they hit production? Learn more at dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today!Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Lukas Schulte about SDF, a fast and expressive SQL transformation tool that understands your schemaInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you describe what SDF is and the story behind it?What's the story behind the name?What problem are you solving with SDF?dbt has been the dominant player for SQL-based transformations for several years, with other notable competition in the form of SQLMesh. Can you give an overview of the venn diagram for features and functionality across SDF, dbt and SQLMesh?Can you describe the design and implementation of SDF?How have the scope and goals of the project changed since you first started working on it?What does the development experience look like for a team working with SDF?How does that differ between the open and paid versions of the product?What are the features and functionality that SDF offers to address intra- and inter-team collaboration?One of the challenges for any second-mover technology with an established competitor is the adoption/migration path for teams who have already invested in the incumbent (dbt in this case). How are you addressing that barrier for SDF?Beyond the core migration path of the direct functionality of the incumbent product is the amount of tooling and communal knowledge that grows up around that product. How are you thinking about that aspect of the current landscape?What is your governing principle for what capabilities are in the open core and which go in the paid product?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen SDF used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on SDF?When is SDF the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of SDF?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Links SDFSemantic Data Warehouseasdf-vmdbtSoftware Linting)SQLMeshPodcast EpisodeCoalescePodcast EpisodeApache IcebergPodcast EpisodeDuckDB Podcast Episode SDF Classifiersdbt Semantic Layerdbt expectationsApache DatafusionIbisThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

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Any software system that survives long enough will require some form of migration or evolution. When that system is responsible for the data layer the process becomes more challenging. Sriram Panyam has been involved in several projects that required migration of large volumes of data in high traffic environments. In this episode he shares some of the valuable lessons that he learned about how to make those projects successful.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst is an end-to-end data lakehouse platform built on Trino, the query engine Apache Iceberg was designed for, with complete support for all table formats including Apache Iceberg, Hive, and Delta Lake. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino. This episode is supported by Code Comments, an original podcast from Red Hat. As someone who listens to the Data Engineering Podcast, you know that the road from tool selection to production readiness is anything but smooth or straight. In Code Comments, host Jamie Parker, Red Hatter and experienced engineer, shares the journey of technologists from across the industry and their hard-won lessons in implementing new technologies. I listened to the recent episode "Transforming Your Database" and appreciated the valuable advice on how to approach the selection and integration of new databases in applications and the impact on team dynamics. There are 3 seasons of great episodes and new ones landing everywhere you listen to podcasts. Search for "Code Commentst" in your podcast player or go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/codecomments today to subscribe. My thanks to the team at Code Comments for their support. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Sriram Panyam about his experiences conducting large scale data migrations and the useful strategies that he learned in the process

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you start by sharing some of your experiences with data migration projects?

As you have gone through successive migration projects, how has that influenced the ways that you think about architecting data systems?

How would you categorize the different types and motivations of migrations?

How does the motivation for a migration influence the ways that you plan for and execute that work?

Can you talk us through one or two specific projects that you have taken part in? Part 1: The Triggers

Section 1: Technical Limitations triggering Data Migration

Scaling bottlenecks: Performance issues with databases, storage, or network infrastructure Legacy compatibility: Difficulties integrating with modern tools and cloud platforms System upgrades: The need to migrate data during major software changes (e.g., SQL Server version upgrade)

Section 2: Types of Migrations for Infrastructure Focus

Storage migration: Moving data between systems (HDD to SSD, SAN to NAS, etc.) Data center migration: Physical relocation or consolidation of data centers Virtualization migration: Moving from physical servers to virtual machines (or vice versa)

Section 3: Technical Decisions Driving Data Migrations

End-of-life support: Forced migration when older software or hardware is sunsetted Security and compliance: Adopting new platforms with better security postures Cost Optimization: Potential savings of cloud vs. on-premise data centers

Part 2: Challenges (and Anxieties)

Section 1: Technical Challenges

Data transformation challenges: Schema changes, complex data mappings Network bandwidth and latency: Transferring large datasets efficiently Performance tes

Summary Artificial intelligence has dominated the headlines for several months due to the successes of large language models. This has prompted numerous debates about the possibility of, and timeline for, artificial general intelligence (AGI). Peter Voss has dedicated decades of his life to the pursuit of truly intelligent software through the approach of cognitive AI. In this episode he explains his approach to building AI in a more human-like fashion and the emphasis on learning rather than statistical prediction. Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementDagster offers a new approach to building and running data platforms and data pipelines. It is an open-source, cloud-native orchestrator for the whole development lifecycle, with integrated lineage and observability, a declarative programming model, and best-in-class testability. Your team can get up and running in minutes thanks to Dagster Cloud, an enterprise-class hosted solution that offers serverless and hybrid deployments, enhanced security, and on-demand ephemeral test deployments. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/dagster today to get started. Your first 30 days are free!Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst powers petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast, at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, so that you can meet all your data needs ranging from AI to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash, Starburst is a data lake analytics platform that delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises. And Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Peter Voss about what is involved in making your AI applications more "human"Interview IntroductionHow did you get involved in machine learning?Can you start by unpacking the idea of "human-like" AI? How does that contrast with the conception of "AGI"?The applications and limitations of GPT/LLM models have been dominating the popular conversation around AI. How do you see that impacting the overrall ecosystem of ML/AI applications and investment?The fundamental/foundational challenge of every AI use case is sourcing appropriate data. What are the strategies that you have found useful to acquire, evaluate, and prepare data at an appropriate scale to build high quality models? What are the opportunities and limitations of causal modeling techniques for generalized AI models?As AI systems gain more sophistication there is a challenge with establishing and maintaining trust. What are the risks involved in deploying more human-level AI systems and monitoring their reliability?What are the practical/architectural methods necessary to build more cognitive AI systems? How would you characterize the ecosystem of tools/frameworks available for creating, evolving, and maintaining these applications?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen cognitive AI applied?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on desiging/developing cognitive AI systems?When is cognitive AI the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of cognitive AI applications at Aigo?Contact Info LinkedInWebsiteParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest barrier to adoption of machine learning today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The Machine Learning Podcast helps you go from idea to production with machine learning.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected]) with your story.Links Aigo.aiArtificial General IntelligenceCognitive AIKnowledge GraphCausal ModelingBayesian StatisticsThinking Fast & Slow by Daniel Kahneman (affiliate link)Agent-Based ModelingReinforcement LearningDARPA 3 Waves of AI presentationWhy Don't We Have AGI Yet? whitepaperConcepts Is All You Need WhitepaperHellen KellerStephen HawkingThe intro and outro music is from Hitman's Lovesong feat. Paola Graziano by The Freak Fandango Orchestra/CC BY-SA 3.0

Summary Generative AI promises to accelerate the productivity of human collaborators. Currently the primary way of working with these tools is through a conversational prompt, which is often cumbersome and unwieldy. In order to simplify the integration of AI capabilities into developer workflows Tsavo Knott helped create Pieces, a powerful collection of tools that complements the tools that developers already use. In this episode he explains the data collection and preparation process, the collection of model types and sizes that work together to power the experience, and how to incorporate it into your workflow to act as a second brain.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementDagster offers a new approach to building and running data platforms and data pipelines. It is an open-source, cloud-native orchestrator for the whole development lifecycle, with integrated lineage and observability, a declarative programming model, and best-in-class testability. Your team can get up and running in minutes thanks to Dagster Cloud, an enterprise-class hosted solution that offers serverless and hybrid deployments, enhanced security, and on-demand ephemeral test deployments. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/dagster today to get started. Your first 30 days are free!Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst powers petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast, at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, so that you can meet all your data needs ranging from AI to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash, Starburst is a data lake analytics platform that delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises. And Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Tsavo Knott about Pieces, a personal AI toolkit to improve the efficiency of developersInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in machine learning?Can you describe what Pieces is and the story behind it?The past few months have seen an endless series of personalized AI tools launched. What are the features and focus of Pieces that might encourage someone to use it over the alternatives?model selectionsarchitecture of Pieces applicationlocal vs. hybrid vs. online modelsmodel update/delivery processdata preparation/serving for models in context of Pieces appapplication of AI to developer workflowstypes of workflows that people are building with piecesWhat are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Pieces used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on Pieces?When is Pieces the wrong choice?What do you have planned for the future of Pieces?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest barrier to adoption of machine learning today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The Machine Learning Podcast helps you go from idea to production with machine learning.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected]) with your story.Links PiecesNPU == Neural Processing UnitTensor ChipLoRA == Low Rank AdaptationGenerative Adversarial NetworksMistralEmacsVimNeoVimDartFlutte

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Generative AI has rapidly transformed everything in the technology sector. When Andrew Lee started work on Shortwave he was focused on making email more productive. When AI started gaining adoption he realized that he had even more potential for a transformative experience. In this episode he shares the technical challenges that he and his team have overcome in integrating AI into their product, as well as the benefits and features that it provides to their customers.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management Dagster offers a new approach to building and running data platforms and data pipelines. It is an open-source, cloud-native orchestrator for the whole development lifecycle, with integrated lineage and observability, a declarative programming model, and best-in-class testability. Your team can get up and running in minutes thanks to Dagster Cloud, an enterprise-class hosted solution that offers serverless and hybrid deployments, enhanced security, and on-demand ephemeral test deployments. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/dagster today to get started. Your first 30 days are free! Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst powers petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast, at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, so that you can meet all your data needs ranging from AI to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash, Starburst is a data lake analytics platform that delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises. And Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Andrew Lee about his work on Shortwave, an AI powered email client

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you describe what Shortwave is and the story behind it?

What is the core problem that you are addressing with Shortwave?

Email has been a central part of communication and business productivity for decades now. What are the overall themes that continue to be problematic? What are the strengths that email maintains as a protocol and ecosystem? From a product perspective, what are the data challenges that are posed by email? Can you describe how you have architected the Shortwave platform?

How have the design and goals of the product changed since you started it? What are the ways that the advent and evolution of language models have influenced your product roadmap?

How do you manage the personalization of the AI functionality in your system for each user/team? For users and teams who are using Shortwave, how does it change their workflow and communication patterns? Can you describe how I would use Shortwave for managing the workflow of evaluating, planning, and promoting my podcast episodes? What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Shortwave used? What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on Shortwave? When is Shortwave the wrong choice? What do you have planned for the future of Shortwave?

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Parting Question

From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

Closing Announcements

Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The Machine Learning Podcast helps you go from idea to production with mach

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Databases come in a variety of formats for different use cases. The default association with the term "database" is relational engines, but non-relational engines are also used quite widely. In this episode Oren Eini, CEO and creator of RavenDB, explores the nuances of relational vs. non-relational engines, and the strategies for designing a non-relational database.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management This episode is brought to you by Datafold – a testing automation platform for data engineers that prevents data quality issues from entering every part of your data workflow, from migration to dbt deployment. Datafold has recently launched data replication testing, providing ongoing validation for source-to-target replication. Leverage Datafold's fast cross-database data diffing and Monitoring to test your replication pipelines automatically and continuously. Validate consistency between source and target at any scale, and receive alerts about any discrepancies. Learn more about Datafold by visiting dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold. Dagster offers a new approach to building and running data platforms and data pipelines. It is an open-source, cloud-native orchestrator for the whole development lifecycle, with integrated lineage and observability, a declarative programming model, and best-in-class testability. Your team can get up and running in minutes thanks to Dagster Cloud, an enterprise-class hosted solution that offers serverless and hybrid deployments, enhanced security, and on-demand ephemeral test deployments. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/dagster today to get started. Your first 30 days are free! Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst powers petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast, at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, so that you can meet all your data needs ranging from AI to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash, Starburst is a data lake analytics platform that delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises. And Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Oren Eini about the work of designing and building a NoSQL database engine

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you describe what constitutes a NoSQL database?

How have the requirements and applications of NoSQL engines changed since they first became popular ~15 years ago?

What are the factors that convince teams to use a NoSQL vs. SQL database?

NoSQL is a generalized term that encompasses a number of different data models. How does the underlying representation (e.g. document, K/V, graph) change that calculus?

How have the evolution in data formats (e.g. N-dimensional vectors, point clouds, etc.) changed the landscape for NoSQL engines? When designing and building a database, what are the initial set of questions that need to be answered?

How many "core capabilities" can you reasonably design around before they conflict with each other?

How have you approached the evolution of RavenDB as you add new capabilities and mature the project?

What are some of the early decisions that had to be unwound to enable new capabilities?

If you were to start from scratch today, what database would you build? What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen RavenDB/NoSQL databases used? What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons t

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Maintaining a single source of truth for your data is the biggest challenge in data engineering. Different roles and tasks in the business need their own ways to access and analyze the data in the organization. In order to enable this use case, while maintaining a single point of access, the semantic layer has evolved as a technological solution to the problem. In this episode Artyom Keydunov, creator of Cube, discusses the evolution and applications of the semantic layer as a component of your data platform, and how Cube provides speed and cost optimization for your data consumers.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management This episode is brought to you by Datafold – a testing automation platform for data engineers that prevents data quality issues from entering every part of your data workflow, from migration to dbt deployment. Datafold has recently launched data replication testing, providing ongoing validation for source-to-target replication. Leverage Datafold's fast cross-database data diffing and Monitoring to test your replication pipelines automatically and continuously. Validate consistency between source and target at any scale, and receive alerts about any discrepancies. Learn more about Datafold by visiting dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold. Dagster offers a new approach to building and running data platforms and data pipelines. It is an open-source, cloud-native orchestrator for the whole development lifecycle, with integrated lineage and observability, a declarative programming model, and best-in-class testability. Your team can get up and running in minutes thanks to Dagster Cloud, an enterprise-class hosted solution that offers serverless and hybrid deployments, enhanced security, and on-demand ephemeral test deployments. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/dagster today to get started. Your first 30 days are free! Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst powers petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast, at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, so that you can meet all your data needs ranging from AI to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash, Starburst is a data lake analytics platform that delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises. And Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Artyom Keydunov about the role of the semantic layer in your data platform

Interview

Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you start by outlining the technical elements of what it means to have a "semantic layer"? In the past couple of years there was a rapid hype cycle around the "metrics layer" and "headless BI", which has largely faded. Can you give your assessment of the current state of the industry around the adoption/implementation of these concepts? What are the benefits of having a discrete service that offers the business metrics/semantic mappings as opposed to implementing those concepts as part of a more general system? (e.g. dbt, BI, warehouse marts, etc.)

At what point does it become necessary/beneficial for a team to adopt such a service? What are the challenges involved in retrofitting a semantic layer into a production data system?

evolution of requirements/usage patterns technical complexities/performance and cost optimization What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Cube used? What are the most interesting, unexpec

Summary

Working with data is a complicated process, with numerous chances for something to go wrong. Identifying and accounting for those errors is a critical piece of building trust in the organization that your data is accurate and up to date. While there are numerous products available to provide that visibility, they all have different technologies and workflows that they focus on. To bring observability to dbt projects the team at Elementary embedded themselves into the workflow. In this episode Maayan Salom explores the approach that she has taken to bring observability, enhanced testing capabilities, and anomaly detection into every step of the dbt developer experience.

Announcements

Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst powers petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast, at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, so that you can meet all your data needs ranging from AI to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash, Starburst is a data lake analytics platform that delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises. And Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino. Dagster offers a new approach to building and running data platforms and data pipelines. It is an open-source, cloud-native orchestrator for the whole development lifecycle, with integrated lineage and observability, a declarative programming model, and best-in-class testability. Your team can get up and running in minutes thanks to Dagster Cloud, an enterprise-class hosted solution that offers serverless and hybrid deployments, enhanced security, and on-demand ephemeral test deployments. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/dagster today to get started. Your first 30 days are free! This episode is brought to you by Datafold – a testing automation platform for data engineers that prevents data quality issues from entering every part of your data workflow, from migration to dbt deployment. Datafold has recently launched data replication testing, providing ongoing validation for source-to-target replication. Leverage Datafold's fast cross-database data diffing and Monitoring to test your replication pipelines automatically and continuously. Validate consistency between source and target at any scale, and receive alerts about any discrepancies. Learn more about Datafold by visiting dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Maayan Salom about how to incorporate observability into a dbt-oriented workflow and how Elementary can help

Interview

Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you start by outlining what elements of observability are most relevant for dbt projects? What are some of the common ad-hoc/DIY methods that teams develop to acquire those insights?

What are the challenges/shortcomings associated with those approaches?

Over the past ~3 years there were numerous data observability systems/products created. What are some of the ways that the specifics of dbt workflows are not covered by those generalized tools?

What are the insights that can be more easily generated by embedding into the dbt toolchain and development cycle?

Can you describe what Elementary is and how it is designed to enhance the development and maintenance work in dbt projects? How is Elementary designed/implemented?

How have the scope and goals of the project changed since you started working on it? What are the engineering ch

Summary

A core differentiator of Dagster in the ecosystem of data orchestration is their focus on software defined assets as a means of building declarative workflows. With their launch of Dagster+ as the redesigned commercial companion to the open source project they are investing in that capability with a suite of new features. In this episode Pete Hunt, CEO of Dagster labs, outlines these new capabilities, how they reduce the burden on data teams, and the increased collaboration that they enable across teams and business units.

Announcements

Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management Dagster offers a new approach to building and running data platforms and data pipelines. It is an open-source, cloud-native orchestrator for the whole development lifecycle, with integrated lineage and observability, a declarative programming model, and best-in-class testability. Your team can get up and running in minutes thanks to Dagster Cloud, an enterprise-class hosted solution that offers serverless and hybrid deployments, enhanced security, and on-demand ephemeral test deployments. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/dagster today to get started. Your first 30 days are free! Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst powers petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast, at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, so that you can meet all your data needs ranging from AI to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash, Starburst is a data lake analytics platform that delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises. And Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Pete Hunt about how the launch of Dagster+ will level up your data platform and orchestrate across language platforms

Interview

Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you describe what the focus of Dagster+ is and the story behind it?

What problems are you trying to solve with Dagster+? What are the notable enhancements beyond the Dagster Core project that this updated platform provides? How is it different from the current Dagster Cloud product?

In the launch announcement you tease new capabilities that would be great to explore in turns:

Make data a team sport, enabling data teams across the organization Deliver reliable, high quality data the organization can trust Observe and manage data platform costs Master the heterogeneous collection of technologies—both traditional and Modern Data Stack

What are the business/product goals that you are focused on improving with the launch of Dagster+ What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Dagster used? What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on the design and launch of Dagster+? When is Dagster+ the wrong choice? What do you have planned for the future of Dagster/Dagster Cloud/Dagster+?

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Closing Announcements

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A significant portion of data workflows involve storing and processing information in database engines. Validating that the information is stored and processed correctly can be complex and time-consuming, especially when the source and destination speak different dialects of SQL. In this episode Gleb Mezhanskiy, founder and CEO of Datafold, discusses the different error conditions and solutions that you need to know about to ensure the accuracy of your data.

Announcements

Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management Dagster offers a new approach to building and running data platforms and data pipelines. It is an open-source, cloud-native orchestrator for the whole development lifecycle, with integrated lineage and observability, a declarative programming model, and best-in-class testability. Your team can get up and running in minutes thanks to Dagster Cloud, an enterprise-class hosted solution that offers serverless and hybrid deployments, enhanced security, and on-demand ephemeral test deployments. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/dagster today to get started. Your first 30 days are free! Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst powers petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast, at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, so that you can meet all your data needs ranging from AI to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash, Starburst is a data lake analytics platform that delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises. And Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino. Join us at the top event for the global data community, Data Council Austin. From March 26-28th 2024, we'll play host to hundreds of attendees, 100 top speakers and dozens of startups that are advancing data science, engineering and AI. Data Council attendees are amazing founders, data scientists, lead engineers, CTOs, heads of data, investors and community organizers who are all working together to build the future of data and sharing their insights and learnings through deeply technical talks. As a listener to the Data Engineering Podcast you can get a special discount off regular priced and late bird tickets by using the promo code dataengpod20. Don't miss out on our only event this year! Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/data-council and use code dataengpod20 to register today! Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm welcoming back Gleb Mezhanskiy to talk about how to reconcile data in database environments

Interview

Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you start by outlining some of the situations where reconciling data between databases is needed? What are examples of the error conditions that you are likely to run into when duplicating information between database engines?

When these errors do occur, what are some of the problems that they can cause?

When teams are replicating data between database engines, what are some of the common patterns for managing those flows?

How does that change between continual and one-time replication?

What are some of the steps involved in verifying the integrity of data replication between database engines? If the source or destination isn't a traditional database engine (e.g. data lakehouse) how does that change the work involved in verifying the success of the replication? What are the challenges of validating and reconciling data?

Sheer scale and cost of pulling data out, have to do in-place Performance. Pushing databases to the limit,