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Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Hannes Mühleisen and Mark Raasveldt, the creators of DuckDB, share their work on Duck Lake, a new entrant in the open lakehouse ecosystem. They discuss how Duck Lake, is focused on simplicity, flexibility, and offers a unified catalog and table format compared to other lakehouse formats like Iceberg and Delta. Hannes and Mark share insights into how Duck Lake revolutionizes data architecture by enabling local-first data processing, simplifying deployment of lakehouse solutions, and offering benefits such as encryption features, data inlining, and integration with existing ecosystems.

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Hannes Mühleisen shows off DuckLake and answers live questions.DuckLake: https://duckdb.org/2025/05/27/ducklake.html

Opening talk of DuckCon #6: https://duckdb.org/events/2025/01/31/duckcon6/

Speakers: Hannes Mühleisen and Mark Raasveldt (DuckDB Labs) Slides: https://blobs.duckdb.org/events/duckcon6/hannes-muehleisen-mark-raasveldt-duckcon6-welcome-and-opening-remarks.pdf

Speakers: Hannes Mühleisen, Mark Raasveldt (DuckDB Labs) Slides: https://blobs.duckdb.org/events/duckcon5/hannes-muhleisen-mark-raasveldt-introduction-and-state-of-project.pdf

Overview of DuckDB's release v0.10.0 and plans for the upcoming v1.0.0, presented on 2024-02-02 at DuckCon #4 in Amsterdam.

Speakers: Hannes Mühleisen, Mark Raasveldt (DuckDB Labs) Slides: https://blobs.duckdb.org/events/duckcon4/duckcon4-mark-raasveldt-hannes-muhleisen-state-of-the-duck.pdf

Speaker: Hannes Mühleisen (DuckDB Labs)

Slides: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bscd15MjXnWc7SGEX0AF8F2zYdLVgx-q/view?usp=share_link

Send us a text We are joined by Hannes Mühleisen, the co-founder of DuckDB and CEO of DuckDB Labs. DuckDB is an in-process SQL OLAP databases management system that is highly simplifying data processing without compromising anything in terms of performance.

Check out more on DuckDB and Hannes here: DuckDB websiteDuckDB Labs websiteHannes' LinkedIn

Summary When you think about selecting a database engine for your project you typically consider options focused on serving multiple concurrent users. Sometimes what you really need is an embedded database that is blazing fast for single user workloads. DuckDB is an in-process database engine optimized for OLAP applications to speed up your analytical queries that meets you where you are, whether that’s Python, R, Java, even the web. In this episode, Hannes Mühleisen, co-creator and CEO of DuckDB Labs, shares the motivations for creating the project, the myriad ways that it can be used to speed up your data projects, and the detailed engineering efforts that go into making it adaptable to any environment. This is a fascinating and humorous exploration of a truly useful piece of technology.

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Interview

Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you describe what DuckDB is and the story behind it? Where did the name come from? What are some of the use cases that DuckDB is designed to support? The interface for DuckDB is similar (at least in spirit) to SQLite. What are the deciding factors for when to use one vs. the other?

How might they be used in concert to take advantage of their relative strengths?

What are some of the ways that DuckDB can be used to better effect than options provided by different language ecosystems? Can you describe how DuckDB is implemented?

How has the design and goals of the project changed or evolved since you began working on it? What are some of the optimizations that you have had to make in order to support performant access to data that exceeds available memory?

Can you describe a typical workflow of incorporating DuckDB into an analytical project? What are some of the libraries/tools/systems that DuckDB might replace in the scope of a project or team? What are some of the