Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Dan Bruckner, co-founder and CTO of Tamr, talks about the application of machine learning (ML) and artificial intelligence (AI) in master data management (MDM). Dan shares his journey from working at CERN to becoming a data expert and discusses the challenges of reconciling large-scale organizational data. He explains how data silos arise from independent teams and highlights the importance of combining traditional techniques with modern AI to address the nuances of data reconciliation. Dan emphasizes the transformative potential of large language models (LLMs) in creating more natural user experiences, improving trust in AI-driven data solutions, and simplifying complex data management processes. He also discusses the balance between using AI for complex data problems and the necessity of human oversight to ensure accuracy and trust.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details. As a listener of the Data Engineering Podcast you clearly care about data and how it affects your organization and the world. For even more perspective on the ways that data impacts everything around us don't miss Data Citizens® Dialogues, the forward-thinking podcast brought to you by Collibra. You'll get further insights from industry leaders, innovators, and executives in the world's largest companies on the topics that are top of mind for everyone. In every episode of Data Citizens® Dialogues, industry leaders unpack data’s impact on the world; like in their episode “The Secret Sauce Behind McDonald’s Data Strategy”, which digs into how AI-driven tools can be used to support crew efficiency and customer interactions. In particular I appreciate the ability to hear about the challenges that enterprise scale businesses are tackling in this fast-moving field. The Data Citizens Dialogues podcast is bringing the data conversation to you, so start listening now! Follow Data Citizens Dialogues on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Dan Bruckner about the application of ML and AI techniques to the challenge of reconciling data at the scale of businessInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you start by giving an overview of the different ways that organizational data becomes unwieldy and needs to be consolidated and reconciled?How does that reconciliation relate to the practice of "master data management"What are the scaling challenges with the current set of practices for reconciling data?ML has been applied to data cleaning for a long time in the form of entity resolution, etc. How has the landscape evolved or matured in recent years?What (if any) transformative capabilities do LLMs introduce?What are the missing pieces/improvements that are necessary to make current AI systems usable out-of-the-box for data cleaning?What are the strategic decisions that need to be addressed when implementing ML/AI techniques in the data cleaning/reconciliation process?What are the risks involved in bringing ML to bear on data cleaning for inexperienced teams?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen ML techniques used in data resolution?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on using ML/AI in master data management?When is ML/AI the wrong choice for data cleaning/reconciliation?What are your hopes/predictions for the future of ML/AI applications in MDM and data cleaning?Contact Info LinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links TamrMaster Data ManagementCERNLHCMichael StonebrakerConway's LawExpert SystemsInformation RetrievalActive LearningThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary The core task of data engineering is managing the flows of data through an organization. In order to ensure those flows are executing on schedule and without error is the role of the data orchestrator. Which orchestration engine you choose impacts the ways that you architect the rest of your data platform. In this episode Hugo Lu shares his thoughts as the founder of an orchestration company on how to think about data orchestration and data platform design as we navigate the current era of data engineering.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementIt’s 2024, why are we still doing data migrations by hand? Teams spend months—sometimes years—manually converting queries and validating data, burning resources and crushing morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent brings migrations into the modern era. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today to learn how Datafold can automate your migration and ensure source to target parity. As a listener of the Data Engineering Podcast you clearly care about data and how it affects your organization and the world. For even more perspective on the ways that data impacts everything around us don't miss Data Citizens® Dialogues, the forward-thinking podcast brought to you by Collibra. You'll get further insights from industry leaders, innovators, and executives in the world's largest companies on the topics that are top of mind for everyone. In every episode of Data Citizens® Dialogues, industry leaders unpack data’s impact on the world, from big picture questions like AI governance and data sharing to more nuanced questions like, how do we balance offense and defense in data management? In particular I appreciate the ability to hear about the challenges that enterprise scale businesses are tackling in this fast-moving field. The Data Citizens Dialogues podcast is bringing the data conversation to you, so start listening now! Follow Data Citizens Dialogues on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Hugo Lu about the data platform and orchestration ecosystem and how to navigate the available optionsInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in building data platforms?Can you describe what an orchestrator is in the context of data platforms?There are many other contexts in which orchestration is necessary. What are some examples of how orchestrators have adapted (or failed to adapt) to the times?What are the core features that are necessary for an orchestrator to have when dealing with data-oriented workflows?Beyond the bare necessities, what are some of the other features and design considerations that go into building a first-class dat platform or orchestration system?There have been several generations of orchestration engines over the past several years. How would you characterize the different coarse groupings of orchestration engines across those generational boundaries?How do the characteristics of a data orchestrator influence the overarching architecture of an organization's data platform/data operations?What about the reverse?How have the cycles of ML and AI workflow requirements impacted the design requirements for data orchestrators?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen data orchestrators used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on data orchestration?When is an orchestrator the wrong choice?What are your predictions and/or hopes for the future of data orchestration?Contact Info MediumLinkedInParting Question From your perspective, what is the biggest thing data teams are missing in the technology today?Closing Announcements Thank you for listening! Don't forget to check out our other shows. Podcast.init covers the Python language, its community, and the innovative ways it is being used. The AI Engineering Podcast is your guide to the fast-moving world of building AI systems.Visit the site to subscribe to the show, sign up for the mailing list, and read the show notes.If you've learned something or tried out a project from the show then tell us about it! Email [email protected] with your story.Links OrchestraPrevious Episode: Overview Of The State Of Data OrchestrationCronArgoCDDAGKubernetesData MeshAirflowSSIS == SQL Server Integration ServicesPentahoKettleDataVoloNiFiPodcast EpisodeDagstergRPCCoalescePodcast EpisodedbtDataHubPalantirThe intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast, Anna Geller talks about the integration of code and UI-driven interfaces for data orchestration. Anna defines data orchestration as automating the coordination of workflow nodes that interact with data across various business functions, discussing how it goes beyond ETL and analytics to enable real-time data processing across different internal systems. She explores the challenges of using existing scheduling tools for data-specific workflows, highlighting limitations and anti-patterns, and discusses Kestra's solution, a low-code orchestration platform that combines code-driven flexibility with UI-driven simplicity. Anna delves into Kestra's architectural design, API-first approach, and pluggable infrastructure, and shares insights on balancing UI and code-driven workflows, the challenges of open-core business models, and innovative user applications of Kestra's platform.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementData migrations are brutal. They drag on for months—sometimes years—burning through resources and crushing team morale. Datafold's AI-powered Migration Agent changes all that. Their unique combination of AI code translation and automated data validation has helped companies complete migrations up to 10 times faster than manual approaches. And they're so confident in their solution, they'll actually guarantee your timeline in writing. Ready to turn your year-long migration into weeks? Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today for the details.As a listener of the Data Engineering Podcast you clearly care about data and how it affects your organization and the world. For even more perspective on the ways that data impacts everything around us you should listen to Data Citizens® Dialogues, the forward-thinking podcast from the folks at Collibra. You'll get further insights from industry leaders, innovators, and executives in the world's largest companies on the topics that are top of mind for everyone. They address questions around AI governance, data sharing, and working at global scale. In particular I appreciate the ability to hear about the challenges that enterprise scale businesses are tackling in this fast-moving field. While data is shaping our world, Data Citizens Dialogues is shaping the conversation. Subscribe to Data Citizens Dialogues on Apple, Spotify, Youtube, or wherever you get your podcasts.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Anna Geller about incorporating both code and UI driven interfaces for data orchestrationInterview IntroductionHow did you get involved in the area of data management?Can you start by sharing a definition of what constitutes "data orchestration"?There are many orchestration and scheduling systems that exist in other contexts (e.g. CI/CD systems, Kubernetes, etc.). Those are often adapted to data workflows because they already exist in the organizational context. What are the anti-patterns and limitations that approach introduces in data workflows?What are the problems that exist in the opposite direction of using data orchestrators for CI/CD, etc.?Data orchestrators have been around for decades, with many different generations and opinions about how and by whom they are used. What do you see as the main motivation for UI vs. code-driven workflows?What are the benefits of combining code-driven and UI-driven capabilities in a single orchestrator?What constraints does it necessitate to allow for interoperability between those modalities?Data Orchestrators need to integrate with many external systems. How does Kestra approach building integrations and ensure governance for all their underlying configurations?Managing workflows at scale across teams can be challenging in terms of providing structure and visibility of dependencies across workflows and teams. What features does Kestra offer so that all pipelines and teams stay organised?What are

Summary In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast, the creators of Feldera talk about their incremental compute engine designed for continuous computation of data, machine learning, and AI workloads. The discussion covers the concept of incremental computation, the origins of Feldera, and its unique ability to handle both streaming and batch data seamlessly. The guests explore Feldera's architecture, applications in real-time machine learning and AI, and challenges in educating users about incremental computation. They also discuss the balance between open-source and enterprise offerings, and the broader implications of incremental computation for the future of data management, predicting a shift towards unified systems that handle both batch and streaming data efficiently.

Announcements Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data managementImagine catching data issues before they snowball into bigger problems. That’s what Datafold’s new Monitors do. With automatic monitoring for cross-database data diffs, schema changes, key metrics, and custom data tests, you can catch discrepancies and anomalies in real time, right at the source. Whether it’s maintaining data integrity or preventing costly mistakes, Datafold Monitors give you the visibility and control you need to keep your entire data stack running smoothly. Want to stop issues before they hit production? Learn more at dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today!As a listener of the Data Engineering Podcast you clearly care about data and how it affects your organization and the world. For even more perspective on the ways that data impacts everything around us you should listen to Data Citizens® Dialogues, the forward-thinking podcast from the folks at Collibra. You'll get further insights from industry leaders, innovators, and executives in the world's largest companies on the topics that are top of mind for everyone. They address questions around AI governance, data sharing, and working at global scale. In particular I appreciate the ability to hear about the challenges that enterprise scale businesses are tackling in this fast-moving field. While data is shaping our world, Data Citizens Dialogues is shaping the conversation. Subscribe to Data Citizens Dialogues on Apple, Spotify, Youtube, or wherever you get your podcasts.Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Leonid Ryzhyk, Lalith Suresh, and Mihai Budiu about Feldera, an incremental compute engine for continous computation of data, ML, and AI workloadsInterview IntroductionCan you describe what Feldera is and the story behind it?DBSP (the theory behind Feldera) has won multiple awards from the database research community. Can you explain what it is and how it solves the incremental computation problem?Depending on which angle you look at it, Feldera has attributes of data warehouses, federated query engines, and stream processors. What are the unique use cases that Feldera is designed to address?In what situations would you replace another technology with Feldera?When is it an additive technology?Can you describe the architecture of Feldera?How have the design and scope evolved since you first started working on it?What are the state storage interfaces available in Feldera?What are the opportunities for integrating with or building on top of open table formats like Iceberg, Lance, Hudi, etc.?Can you describe a typical workflow for an engineer building with Feldera?You advertise Feldera's utility in ML and AI use cases in addition to data management. What are the features that make it conducive to those applications?What is your philosophy toward the community growth and engagement with the open source aspects of Feldera and how you're balancing that with sustainability of the project and business?What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Feldera used?What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that

Data used to be the exhaust of our work activities, until we started seeing the value it can provide. Today, data is a strategic asset, used to gain a competitive advantage and well guarded from those that might use it to harm others. With this change in attitude, how we access and safeguard our data has improved massively. However, data breaches are not a thing of the past, and with the advent of AI, many new techniques for maliciously accessing data are being created. With the extra importance of data security, it is always pertinent to iterate on how we keep our data safe, and how we manage who has access to it.  Bart Vandekerckhove is the co-founder and CEO at Raito. Raito is on a mission to bring back balance in data democratization and data security. Bart helps data teams save time on data access management, so they can focus on innovation. As the former PM Privacy at Collibra, Bart has seen first hand how slow data access management processes can harm progress.  In the full episode, Richie and Bart explore the importance of data access management, the roles involved in data access including senior management’s role in data access, data security and privacy tools, the impact of AI on data security, how culture feeds into data security, the challenges of a creating a good data access management culture, common mistakes organizations make, advice for improving data security and much more.  Links Mentioned in the Show: RaitoCapital One Data BreachOptus Data BreachIAMCourse: Introduction to Data Privacy

Summary Data governance is a phrase that means many different things to many different people. This is because it is actually a concept that encompasses the entire lifecycle of data, across all of the people in an organization who interact with it. Stijn Christiaens co-founded Collibra with the goal of addressing the wide variety of technological aspects that are necessary to realize such an important and expansive process. In this episode he shares his thoughts on the balance between human and technological processes that are necessary for a well-managed data governance strategy, how Collibra is designed to aid in that endeavor, and his experiences using the platform that his company is building to help power the company. This is an excellent conversation that spans the engineering and philosophical complexities of an important and ever-present aspect of working with data.

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Your host is Tobias Macey and today I’m interviewing Stijn Christiaens about data governance in the enterprise and how Collibra applies the lessons learned from their customers to their own business

Interview

Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you start by describing what you are building at Collibra and the story behind the company? Wat does "data governance" mean to you, and how does that definition inform your work at Collibra?

How would you characterize the current landscape of "data governance" offerings and Collibra’s position within it?

What are the elements of governance that are often ignored in small/medium businesses but which are essential for the enterprise? (e.g. data stewards, business glossaries, etc.) One of the most important tasks as a data professional is to establish and maintain trust in the information you are curating. What are the biggest obstacles to overcome in that mission? What are some of the data problems that you will only find at large or complex organizations?

How does Collibra help to tame that complexity?

Who are the end users of Collibra within an organization? Can you talk through the workflow and various interactions that your customers have as it relates to the overall flow of data through an organization? Can you describe how the Collibra platform is implemented?

How has the scope and design of the system evolved since you first began working on it?

You are currently leading a team that uses Collibra to manage the operations of the business. What are some of the most notable surprises that you have learned from being your own customer?

What are some of the weak points that you have be

Summary The landscape of data management and processing is rapidly changing and evolving. There are certain foundational elements that have remained steady, but as the industry matures new trends emerge and gain prominence. In this episode Astasia Myers of Redpoint Ventures shares her perspective as an investor on which categories she is paying particular attention to for the near to medium term. She discusses the work being done to address challenges in the areas of data quality, observability, discovery, and streaming. This is a useful conversation to gain a macro perspective on where businesses are looking to improve their capabilities to work with data.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management What are the pieces of advice that you wish you had received early in your career of data engineering? If you hand a book to a new data engineer, what wisdom would you add to it? I’m working with O’Reilly on a project to collect the 97 things that every data engineer should know, and I need your help. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/97things to add your voice and share your hard-earned expertise. When you’re ready to build your next pipeline, or want to test out the projects you hear about on the show, you’ll need somewhere to deploy it, so check out our friends at Linode. With their managed Kubernetes platform it’s now even easier to deploy and scale your workflows, or try out the latest Helm charts from tools like Pulsar to get you up and running in no time. With simple pricing, fast networking, S3 compatible object storage, and worldwide data centers, you’ve got everything you need to run a bulletproof data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/linode today and get a $60 credit to try out a Kubernetes cluster of your own. And don’t forget to thank them for their continued support of this show! You listen to this show because you love working with data and want to keep your skills up to date. Machine learning is finding its way into every aspect of the data landscape. Springboard has partnered with us to help you take the next step in your career by offering a scholarship to their Machine Learning Engineering career track program. In this online, project-based course every student is paired with a Machine Learning expert who provides unlimited 1:1 mentorship support throughout the program via video conferences. You’ll build up your portfolio of machine learning projects and gain hands-on experience in writing machine learning algorithms, deploying models into production, and managing the lifecycle of a deep learning prototype. Springboard offers a job guarantee, meaning that you don’t have to pay for the program until you get a job in the space. The Data Engineering Podcast is exclusively offering listeners 20 scholarships of $500 to eligible applicants. It only takes 10 minutes and there’s no obligation. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/springboard and apply today! Make sure to use the code AISPRINGBOARD when you enroll. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I’m interviewing Astasia Myers about the trends in the data industry that she sees as an investor at Redpoint Ventures

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you start by giving an overview of Redpoint Ventures and your role there? From an investor perspective, what is most appealing about the category of data-oriented businesses? What are the main sources of information that you rely on to keep up to date with what is happening in the data industry?

What is your personal heuristic for determining the relevance of any given piece of information to decide whether it is worthy of further investigation?

As someone who works closely with a variety of companies across different industry verticals and different areas of focus, what are some of the common trends that you have identified in the data ecosystem? In your article that covers the trends you are keeping an eye on for 2020 you call out 4 in particular, data quality, data catalogs, observability of what influences critical business indicators, and streaming data. Taking those in turn:

What are the driving factors that influence data quality, and what elements of that problem space are being addressed by the companies you are watching?

What are the unsolved areas that you see as being viable for newcomers?

What are the challenges faced by businesses in establishing and maintaining data catalogs?

What approaches are being taken by the companies who are trying to solve this problem?

What shortcomings do you see in the available products?

For gaining visibility into the forces that impact the key performance indicators (KPI) of businesses, what is lacking in the current approaches?

What additional information needs to be tracked to provide the needed context for making informed decisions about what actions to take to improve KPIs? What challenges do businesses in this observability space face to provide useful access and analysis to this collected data?

Streaming is an area that has been growing rapidly over the past few years, with many open source and commercial options. What are the major business opportunities that you see to make streaming more accessible and effective?

What are the main factors that you see as driving this growth in the need for access to streaming data?

With your focus on these trends, how does that influence your investment decisions and where you spend your time? What are the unaddressed markets or product categories that you see which would be lucrative for new businesses? In most areas of technology now there is a mix of open source and commercial solutions to any given problem, with varying levels of maturity and polish between them. What are your views on the balance of this relationship in the data ecosystem?

For data in particular, there is a strong potential for vendor lock-in which can cause potential customers to avoid adoption of commercial solutions. What has been your experience in that regard with the companies that you work with?

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Parting Question

From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

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