Matthew Scullion (CEO, Co-Founder of Matillion) joins me to chat about the future of data engineering, namely agentic data engineering teams.

What does this new world look like? Matthew shares some ideas of what he's building at Matillion, and the broader context of what agentic AI means for the data ecosystem, teams, and workflows.

I recap two events from this week - Matillion's Data Unlocked and the first MLOps Community event in Silicon Valley, hosted at Coactive.ai's office. Lots to unpack in 8 minutes, so let's get going.

Summary

Cloud data warehouses and the introduction of the ELT paradigm has led to the creation of multiple options for flexible data integration, with a roughly equal distribution of commercial and open source options. The challenge is that most of those options are complex to operate and exist in their own silo. The dlt project was created to eliminate overhead and bring data integration into your full control as a library component of your overall data system. In this episode Adrian Brudaru explains how it works, the benefits that it provides over other data integration solutions, and how you can start building pipelines today.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management Introducing RudderStack Profiles. RudderStack Profiles takes the SaaS guesswork and SQL grunt work out of building complete customer profiles so you can quickly ship actionable, enriched data to every downstream team. You specify the customer traits, then Profiles runs the joins and computations for you to create complete customer profiles. Get all of the details and try the new product today at dataengineeringpodcast.com/rudderstack You shouldn't have to throw away the database to build with fast-changing data. You should be able to keep the familiarity of SQL and the proven architecture of cloud warehouses, but swap the decades-old batch computation model for an efficient incremental engine to get complex queries that are always up-to-date. With Materialize, you can! It’s the only true SQL streaming database built from the ground up to meet the needs of modern data products. Whether it’s real-time dashboarding and analytics, personalization and segmentation or automation and alerting, Materialize gives you the ability to work with fresh, correct, and scalable results — all in a familiar SQL interface. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/materialize today to get 2 weeks free! This episode is brought to you by Datafold – a testing automation platform for data engineers that finds data quality issues before the code and data are deployed to production. Datafold leverages data-diffing to compare production and development environments and column-level lineage to show you the exact impact of every code change on data, metrics, and BI tools, keeping your team productive and stakeholders happy. Datafold integrates with dbt, the modern data stack, and seamlessly plugs in your data CI for team-wide and automated testing. If you are migrating to a modern data stack, Datafold can also help you automate data and code validation to speed up the migration. Learn more about Datafold by visiting dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Adrian Brudaru about dlt, an open source python library for data loading

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you describe what dlt is and the story behind it?

What is the problem you want to solve with dlt? Who is the target audience?

The obvious comparison is with systems like Singer/Meltano/Airbyte in the open source space, or Fivetran/Matillion/etc. in the commercial space. What are the complexities or limitations of those tools that leave an opening for dlt? Can you describe how dlt is implemented? What are the benefits of building it in Python? How have the design and goals of the project changed since you first started working on it? How does that language choice influence the performance and scaling characteristics? What problems do users solve with dlt? What are the interfaces available for extending/customizing/integrating with dlt? Can you talk through the process of adding a new source/destination? What is the workflow for someone building a pipeline with dlt? How does the experience scale when supporting multiple connections? Given the limited scope of extract and load, and the composable design of dlt it seems like a purpose built companion to dbt (down to th

Summary The interfaces and design cues that a tool offers can have a massive impact on who is able to use it and the tasks that they are able to perform. With an eye to making data workflows more accessible to everyone in an organization Raj Bains and his team at Prophecy designed a powerful and extensible low-code platform that lets technical and non-technical users scale data flows without forcing everyone into the same layers of abstraction. In this episode he explores the tension between code-first and no-code utilities and how he is working to balance the strengths without falling prey to their shortcomings.

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Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management When you’re ready to build your next pipeline, or want to test out the projects you hear about on the show, you’ll need somewhere to deploy it, so check out our friends at Linode. With their managed Kubernetes platform it’s now even easier to deploy and scale your workflows, or try out the latest Helm charts from tools like Pulsar and Pachyderm. With simple pricing, fast networking, object storage, and worldwide data centers, you’ve got everything you need to run a bulletproof data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/linode today and get a $100 credit to try out a Kubernetes cluster of your own. And don’t forget to thank them for their continued support of this show! Atlan is a collaborative workspace for data-driven teams, like Github for engineering or Figma for design teams. By acting as a virtual hub for data assets ranging from tables and dashboards to SQL snippets & code, Atlan enables teams to create a single source of truth for all their data assets, and collaborate across the modern data stack through deep integrations with tools like Snowflake, Slack, Looker and more. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/atlan today and sign up for a free trial. If you’re a data engineering podcast listener, you get credits worth $3000 on an annual subscription So now your modern data stack is set up. How is everyone going to find the data they need, and understand it? Select Star is a data discovery platform that automatically analyzes & documents your data. For every table in Select Star, you can find out where the data originated, which dashboards are built on top of it, who’s using it in the company, and how they’re using it, all the way down to the SQL queries. Best of all, it’s simple to set up, and easy for both engineering and operations teams to use. With Select Star’s data catalog, a single source of truth for your data is built in minutes, even across thousands of datasets. Try it out for free and double the length of your free trial today at dataengineeringpodcast.com/selectstar. You’ll also get a swag package when you continue on a paid plan. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I’m interviewing Raj Bains about how improving the user experience for data tools can make your work as a data engineer better and easier

Interview

Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? What are the broad categories of data tool designs that are available currently and how does that impact what is possible with them?

What are the points of friction that are introduced by the tools? Can you share some of the types of workarounds or wasted effort that are made necessary by those design elements?

What are the core design principles that you have built into Prophecy to address these shortcomings?

How do those user experience changes improve the quality and speed of work for data engineers?

How has the Prophecy platform changed since we last spoke almost a year ago? What are the tradeoffs of low code systems for productivity vs. flexibility and creativity? What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected approaches to developer experience that you have seen for data tools? What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on user experience optimization for data tooling at Prophecy? When is it more important to optimize for computational efficiency over developer productivity? What do you have planned for the future of Prophecy?

Contact Info

LinkedIn @_raj_bains on Twitter

Parting Question

From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

Closing Announcements

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Summary The predominant pattern for data integration in the cloud has become extract, load, and then transform or ELT. Matillion was an early innovator of that approach and in this episode CTO Ed Thompson explains how they have evolved the platform to keep pace with the rapidly changing ecosystem. He describes how the platform is architected, the challenges related to selling cloud technologies into enterprise organizations, and how you can adopt Matillion for your own workflows to reduce the maintenance burden of data integration workflows.

Announcements

Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management When you’re ready to build your next pipeline, or want to test out the projects you hear about on the show, you’ll need somewhere to deploy it, so check out our friends at Linode. With their managed Kubernetes platform it’s now even easier to deploy and scale your workflows, or try out the latest Helm charts from tools like Pulsar and Pachyderm. With simple pricing, fast networking, object storage, and worldwide data centers, you’ve got everything you need to run a bulletproof data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/linode today and get a $100 credit to try out a Kubernetes cluster of your own. And don’t forget to thank them for their continued support of this show! Atlan is a collaborative workspace for data-driven teams, like Github for engineering or Figma for design teams. By acting as a virtual hub for data assets ranging from tables and dashboards to SQL snippets & code, Atlan enables teams to create a single source of truth for all their data assets, and collaborate across the modern data stack through deep integrations with tools like Snowflake, Slack, Looker and more. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/atlan today and sign up for a free trial. If you’re a data engineering podcast listener, you get credits worth $3000 on an annual subscription Modern data teams are dealing with a lot of complexity in their data pipelines and analytical code. Monitoring data quality, tracing incidents, and testing changes can be daunting and often takes hours to days or even weeks. By the time errors have made their way into production, it’s often too late and damage is done. Datafold built automated regression testing to help data and analytics engineers deal with data quality in their pull requests. Datafold shows how a change in SQL code affects your data, both on a statistical level and down to individual rows and values before it gets merged to production. No more shipping and praying, you can now know exactly what will change in your database! Datafold integrates with all major data warehouses as well as frameworks such as Airflow & dbt and seamlessly plugs into CI workflows. Visit dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today to book a demo with Datafold. Struggling with broken pipelines? Stale dashboards? Missing data? If this resonates with you, you’re not alone. Data engineers struggling with unreliable data need look no further than Monte Carlo, the leading end-to-end Data Observability Platform! Trusted by the data teams at Fox, JetBlue, and PagerDuty, Monte Carlo solves the costly problem of broken data pipelines. Monte Carlo monitors and alerts for data issues across your data warehouses, data lakes, dbt models, Airflow jobs, and business intelligence tools, reducing time to detection and resolution from weeks to just minutes. Monte Carlo also gives you a holistic picture of data health with automatic, end-to-end lineage from ingestion to the BI layer directly out of the box. Start trusting your data with Monte Carlo today! Visit http://www.dataengineeringpodcast.com/montecarlo?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss to learn more. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I’m interviewing Ed Thompson about Matillion, a cloud-native data integration platform for accelerating your time to analytics

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Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management?

Summary Data integration is a critical piece of every data pipeline, yet it is still far from being a solved problem. There are a number of managed platforms available, but the list of options for an open source system that supports a large variety of sources and destinations is still embarrasingly short. The team at Airbyte is adding a new entry to that list with the goal of making robust and easy to use data integration more accessible to teams who want or need to maintain full control of their data. In this episode co-founders John Lafleur and Michel Tricot share the story of how and why they created Airbyte, discuss the project’s design and architecture, and explain their vision of what an open soure data integration platform should offer. If you are struggling to maintain your extract and load pipelines or spending time on integrating with a new system when you would prefer to be working on other projects then this is definitely a conversation worth listening to.

Announcements

Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management When you’re ready to build your next pipeline, or want to test out the projects you hear about on the show, you’ll need somewhere to deploy it, so check out our friends at Linode. With their managed Kubernetes platform it’s now even easier to deploy and scale your workflows, or try out the latest Helm charts from tools like Pulsar and Pachyderm. With simple pricing, fast networking, object storage, and worldwide data centers, you’ve got everything you need to run a bulletproof data platform. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/linode today and get a $100 credit to try out a Kubernetes cluster of your own. And don’t forget to thank them for their continued support of this show! Modern Data teams are dealing with a lot of complexity in their data pipelines and analytical code. Monitoring data quality, tracing incidents, and testing changes can be daunting and often takes hours to days. Datafold helps Data teams gain visibility and confidence in the quality of their analytical data through data profiling, column-level lineage and intelligent anomaly detection. Datafold also helps automate regression testing of ETL code with its Data Diff feature that instantly shows how a change in ETL or BI code affects the produced data, both on a statistical level and down to individual rows and values. Datafold integrates with all major data warehouses as well as frameworks such as Airflow & dbt and seamlessly plugs into CI workflows. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/datafold today to start a 30-day trial of Datafold. Once you sign up and create an alert in Datafold for your company data, they will send you a cool water flask. RudderStack’s smart customer data pipeline is warehouse-first. It builds your customer data warehouse and your identity graph on your data warehouse, with support for Snowflake, Google BigQuery, Amazon Redshift, and more. Their SDKs and plugins make event streaming easy, and their integrations with cloud applications like Salesforce and ZenDesk help you go beyond event streaming. With RudderStack you can use all of your customer data to answer more difficult questions and then send those insights to your whole customer data stack. Sign up free at dataengineeringpodcast.com/rudder today. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I’m interviewing Michel Tricot and John Lafleur about Airbyte, an open source framework for building data integration pipelines.

Interview

Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you start by explaining what Airbyte is and the story behind it? Businesses and data engineers have a variety of options for how to manage their data integration. How would you characterize the overall landscape and how does Airbyte distinguish itself in that space? How would you characterize your target users?

How have those personas instructed the priorities and design of Airbyte? What do you see as the benefits and tradeoffs of a UI oriented data integration platform as compared to a code first approach?

what are the complex/challenging elements of data integration that makes it such a slippery problem? motivation for creating open source ELT as a business Can you describe how the Airbyte platform is implemented?

What was your motivation for choosing Java as the primary language?

incidental complexity of forcing all connectors to be packaged as containers shortcomings of the Singer specification/motivation for creating a backwards incompatible interface perceived potential for community adoption of Airbyte specification tradeoffs of using JSON as interchange format vs. e.g. protobuf/gRPC/Avro/etc.

information lost when converting records to JSON types/how to preserve that information (e.g. field constraints, valid enums, etc.)

interfaces/extension points for integrating with other tools, e.g. Dagster abstraction layers for simplifying implementation of new connectors tradeoffs of storing all connectors in a monorepo with the Airbyte core

impact of community adoption/contributions

What is involved in setting up an Airbyte installation? What are the available axes for scaling an Airbyte deployment? challenges of setting up and maintaining CI environment for Airbyte How are you managing governance and long term sustainability of the project? What are some of the most interesting, unexpected, or innovative ways that you have seen Airbyte used? What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while building Airbyte? When is Airbyte the wrong choice? What do you have planned for the future of the project?

Contact Info

Michel

LinkedIn @MichelTricot on Twitter michel-tricot on GitHub

John

LinkedIn @JeanLafleur on Twitter johnlafleur on GitHub

Parting Question

From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

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Summary Data warehouses have gone through many transformations, from standard relational databases on powerful hardware, to column oriented storage engines, to the current generation of cloud-native analytical engines. SnowflakeDB has been leading the charge to take advantage of cloud services that simplify the separation of compute and storage. In this episode Kent Graziano, chief technical evangelist for SnowflakeDB, explains how it is differentiated from other managed platforms and traditional data warehouse engines, the features that allow you to scale your usage dynamically, and how it allows for a shift in your workflow from ETL to ELT. If you are evaluating your options for building or migrating a data platform, then this is definitely worth a listen.

Announcements

Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management When you’re ready to build your next pipeline, or want to test out the projects you hear about on the show, you’ll need somewhere to deploy it, so check out our friends at Linode. With 200Gbit private networking, scalable shared block storage, and a 40Gbit public network, you’ve got everything you need to run a fast, reliable, and bullet-proof data platform. If you need global distribution, they’ve got that covered too with world-wide datacenters including new ones in Toronto and Mumbai. And for your machine learning workloads, they just announced dedicated CPU instances. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/linode today to get a $20 credit and launch a new server in under a minute. And don’t forget to thank them for their continued support of this show! You listen to this show to learn and stay up to date with what’s happening in databases, streaming platforms, big data, and everything else you need to know about modern data management. For even more opportunities to meet, listen, and learn from your peers you don’t want to miss out on this year’s conference season. We have partnered with organizations such as O’Reilly Media and the Python Software Foundation. Upcoming events include the Software Architecture Conference in NYC and PyCOn US in Pittsburgh. Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/conferences to learn more about these and other events, and take advantage of our partner discounts to save money when you register today. Your host is Tobias Macey and today I’m interviewing Kent Graziano about SnowflakeDB, the cloud-native data warehouse

Interview

Introduction How did you get involved in the area of data management? Can you start by explaining what SnowflakeDB is for anyone who isn’t familiar with it?

How does it compare to the other available platforms for data warehousing? How does it differ from traditional data warehouses?

How does the performance and flexibility affect the data modeling requirements?

Snowflake is one of the data stores that is enabling the shift from an ETL to an ELT workflow. What are the features that allow for that approach and what are some of the challenges that it introduces? Can you describe how the platform is architected and some of the ways that it has evolved as it has grown in popularity?

What are some of the current limitations that you are struggling with?

For someone getting started with Snowflake what is involved with loading data into the platform?

What is their workflow for allocating and scaling compute capacity and running anlyses?

One of the interesting features enabled by your architecture is data sharing. What are some of the most interesting or unexpected uses of that capability that you have seen? What are some other features or use cases for Snowflake that are not as well known or publicized which you think users should know about? When is SnowflakeDB the wrong choice? What are some of the plans for the future of SnowflakeDB?

Contact Info

LinkedIn Website @KentGraziano on Twitter

Parting Question

From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

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